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| my side and if all players are fit for selection is
1. tomkins
2. charnley
3. watkins
4. reed
5. hall
6. widdop
7. myler
8. graham
9. sinfield
10.g.burgess
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13. s.burgess
14. roby
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17. crabtree
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| Stick Sinfield at dummy half and your kicking game completely disappears. None of the other options at 6 or 7 can match his ability to find space or accuracy of attacking kicks.
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| This is the best england team we've had in super league. Decent options in every position. Halfback is probably the weaker area.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Stick Sinfield at dummy half and your kicking game completely disappears. None of the other options at 6 or 7 can match his ability to find space or accuracy of attacking kicks.'"
what about sinny not being at dummy half on the last play of the set?
i would have sinny and myler interchanging throughout the game at dummy half
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| Will widdop be fit? I'd llike to see him at 6 with sinfield. Sinfield can do what he does for leeds, widdop can do what he does for melbourne.
Lunt and roby should rotate at hooker.
1.Tomkins
2.Charnley
3.Watkins
4.Reed
5.Hall
6.Widdop
7.Sinfield
8.Graham
9.Lunt
10.G.Burgess
11.Westwood
12.Ablett
13.S.Burgess
14.Hill
15.Farrell
16.Roby
17.Crabtree
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| i really hope that myler is going to be fit because he is the best 7 in the comp without a doubt imo
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| 1. Tomkins
2. Charnley
3. Watkins.
4. Reed
5. Hall
6. Sinfield
7. Widdop
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. G Burgess
11. S Burgess
12. Westwood
13. O'Loughlin
14. T Burgess
15. Ratchford
16. Kirmond
17. Ben Harrison
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Stick Sinfield at dummy half and your kicking game completely disappears. None of the other options at 6 or 7 can match his ability to find space or accuracy of attacking kicks.'"
Never seems to affect Cameron Smith?
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| IMO Hardaker is England's best FB: we are going to need his much superior one on one tackling against Oz. Tomkins will be better utilised in the half backs with Sinfield at hooker...who from there could always drop back for last tackle plays. Leeds belatedly have realised this to great effect.
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| Have seen the following NRL this year: zero.
So I will suggest an all-SL team and accept that NRL players would be added as and where they're better. So long as they're not picked purely on the basis that they play in the NRL, as has been the case on some past occasions.
1. Tomkins
2. Charnley
3. Watkins
4. Cudjoe
5. Hall
6. Sinfield
7. Myler
8. Mossop
9. Roby (will he be fit?)
10. Crabtree
11. Ferres
12. Farrell
13. Westwood
14. Hill
15. LMS
16. Lunt
17. Kirmond
I base this on what I've seen over the season mixed with some knowledge of what players can produce from previous matches. Has to be a balance of those IMO, especially when picking somebody like Roby.
For all that, if players have a really strong play-off series then they come into contention. Partly becasue of form, but also because players who are consistent over the course of a long season aren't necessarily what you're looking for. We're basically talking about doing the job for 3 or 4 big matches. Bit like the play-offs. The right mentality for those occasions is crucial.
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| I'd pick:
Tomkins (Hardaker is a more than adaquate back up, but I think Tomkins extra ball playing ability gives him the edge.
Charnley (I wouldn't mind Lineham getting a chance)
Watkins
Cudjoe
Hall
Sinfield
Chase
Graham
Roby
Hill
Westwood
Kirmond/Farrell/Ellis/Ablett/Ferres
S Burges
Burrow
Crabtree
G Burgess
Hock
Mossop
Reed
Hardaker
Kirmond/Farrell/Ellis/Ablett/Ferres
Myler
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| I know Tomkins is the darling boy of SL, but if you watched the wigan game last week Zak looked double the player Sam is
He took some world class catches under alot of pressure and never looked like dropping any...where as Sam was getting beat to the ball, letting the ball bounce and dropping catches. I know most will say he had an off night, but sometimes you have to pick on form not just the name...he will get destroyed by the aussie's if he plays anywhere near the way he played versus Leeds
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| Quote ="tenerifeRhino"I know Tomkins is the darling boy of SL, but if you watched the wigan game last week Zak looked double the player Sam is
He took some world class catches under alot of pressure and never looked like dropping any...where as Sam was getting beat to the ball, letting the ball bounce and dropping catches. I know most will say he had an off night, but sometimes you have to pick on form not just the name...he will get destroyed by the aussie's if he plays anywhere near the way he played versus Leeds'"
Much like some keep telling us Sinfield is not an international half back, Tomkins is also not an international fullback.
He needs to be in the team, but he is seriously vulnerable at fullback.
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| Tomkins
Hardaker
Watkins
Reed
Hall
Sinfield
Chase
G Burgess
Roby
Graham
S Burgess
Westwood
Oāloughlin
Hill
Crabtree
Burrow
Ablett
Kirmond, Mossop, Ratchford, Lunt, LMS, Widdop, Charnley
Hardaker in on the wing to offer protection to Tomkins under the bomb, but to also allow him to push forward if necessary, Roby and Burrow offering a lot of speed around the ruck, Sinfield dictating play, Chase and Tomkins offering creativity on the edges. Big, strong, quality pack would allow us, for a time at least to have a huge amount of creativity on the field at once, with Burrow/Roby at dummy half, Sinfield and Burrow/Roby in the centre of the park, Chase and Tomkins on the fringes, Hardaker, Watkins, Reed and Hall on the outside.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Much like some keep telling us Sinfield is not an international half back, Tomkins is also not an international fullback.
He needs to be in the team, but he is seriously vulnerable at fullback.'"
The only issue I have about Tomkins at FB is that he doesn't seem to like running the ball back into traffic. He will be under tremendous kick chase pressure against Australia and the last thing you want is someone who will try anything to offload rather than take it up and take the hit. It puts a lot of pressure on the wings to get back to take the pass.
Having said that, I would play him at 7 and have Hardaker at 1.
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| Quote ="DHM"The only issue I have about Tomkins at FB is that he doesn't seem to like running the ball back into traffic. He will be under tremendous kick chase pressure against Australia and the last thing you want is someone who will try anything to offload rather than take it up and take the hit. It puts a lot of pressure on the wings to get back to take the pass.
Having said that, I would play him at 7 and have Hardaker at 1.'"
I also think he has continually shown he is very vulnerable under the high bomb.
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| Jack Reed wont be playing which means that Watkins will probably get a game as he would have been behind Cudjoe and Reed
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| I had hoped we had moved on internationally from picking our best 13 players and trying to shoehorn them into a team, even it means playing them in roles they don't fulfill for their club sides.
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"Jack Reed wont be playing which means that Watkins will probably get a game as he would have been behind Cudjoe and Reed'"
Only in the minds of Hudds fans.
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"Jack Reed wont be playing which means that Watkins will probably get a game as he would have been behind Cudjoe and Reed'"
Very poor attempt. Getting a bit nervous about Thursday it would seem.
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| Shame about Reed's injury.
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| I don't know what the pecking order would be, but I will say that both Cudjoe and Watkins have been outstanding pretty much every time I've seen them this year. Cudjoe is certainly a far more complete player than he was this time last year. I think you can debate whether he's been better than Watkins, but I doubt it's only Hudds fans that would have Cudjoe in pole position.
Rather than argue I'd rather celebrate the fact that SL has 2 really exciting English centres for the first time in quite a while (since Senior and Gleeson I guess, though I think this pair could be better). I've only really seen Reed in international matches, so not for a while. I was under-whelmed then but if he's developed as well as people are suggesting then that's happy days in the long run.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I don't know what the pecking order would be, but I will say that both Cudjoe and Watkins have been outstanding pretty much every time I've seen them this year. Cudjoe is certainly a far more complete player than he was this time last year. I think you can debate whether he's been better than Watkins, but I doubt it's only Hudds fans that would have Cudjoe in pole position.
Rather than argue I'd rather celebrate the fact that SL has 2 really exciting English centres for the first time in quite a while (since Senior and Gleeson I guess, though I think this pair could be better). I've only really seen Reed in international matches, so not for a while. I was under-whelmed then but if he's developed as well as people are suggesting then that's happy days in the long run.'"
Agree on Cudjoe/Watkins. Both brilliant. Which is why I would have them centre and wing, and keep them swapping outside one another throughout the game.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"Very poor attempt. Getting a bit nervous about Thursday it would seem.'"
No Disappointed you went all out to beat Wigan so you would not have to play us
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