Maybe, and I am coming a little out of left field here, the best way to form an opinion on how good players are is watch them play rather than some mathematical formula.

Utilising this crazy notion over the years I have determined, however much I rate Bailey, and I do, that at their respective peaks Peacock, Fielden and Graham were better players than him but many others in the league were not. At the current stage of their careers I have formulated the opinion that I would rather have Bailey than many other props in the league.

Just in case I am being to weird I will take my calculator to the next game I watch.

sensational!

It'll never work.

It's all well and good going to a game and forming your own opinion of how good a player is but that's exactly what it is... your opinion. It is subjective and open to interpretation, by having a statistical matrix to measure a player by it eradicates opinion and YOUR "crazy" own perceptions.

Extravaganza ?

Its in Hull isn't it ?

You count something as extravagant in Hull if someone puts some tinsel up.

Only in Hull could a player be offered a testimonial year and when asked what the culmination of it should be he replies "I want a big fight", if it were possible to be thicker than pig then this would be it.

From my reckoning Fielden would be the most succesful prop in SL with 95 points.

4 GF, 2CC,4LL, 3WCC, 2DT

If I have got my stats right (TVOC please correct me) the top 4 players in SL history would be:

Paul Wellens 149 pts with 4GF, 6CC, 5LL, 2WCC, 1MOS, 3LT, 3DT, 1HS
Kieron Cunningham 148 pts with 4GF, 7CC, 2WCC, 6DT, 6LL
Jamie Peacock 146 pts with 7GF, 2CC, 4WCC, 7DT, 4LL, 1MOS
Sean Long 145 with 4GF, 6CC, 5LL, 2WCC, 2DT, 1MOS, 3LT, 2DT

Surprised to see Wellens come top, however as he shared 1 of his Lance Todd trophies with Leon Pryce there could be an argument for a 2pt deduction giving KC top spot.

Notable others:

Andy Farrell 108pts (includes pre SL trophies)
Paul Sculthorpe 126pts
James Graham 71pts
James Lowes 71 pts
Danny McGuire 74pts
Rob Burrow 84pts
Keith Senior 78pts
Leon Pryce 135pts

Boxing hasn't been a required skill for a prop forward since the early 1980's. Perhaps Radford should invent a time machine and travel back to say, 1972. I'm sure he wouldn't even have to ask anyone to put him on his 'arris, it would happen to the obnoxious, thick c**k every week wether he wanted it or not.

"Dear Mr Mills,
I am having a testimonial saeson and would like someone to box as part of my fund raising effort. Would you be kind enough to meet me in a ring in Hull for some light hearted fisticuffs in the name of a good cause".

"Dear Mr Radford,
While I appreciate that us RL players all have to make a living, I live in beautiful Widnes, so you would understand my reluctance to travel all the way over to that $hithole on the East Coast just to put money in your back pocket. However, I have made a note of your name and the next time I see it on an opposition team sheet I will be sure to knock you out at the first opportunity. I've passed your name around to some of my other front row colleagues who have all said that even though you are a no-name soft-cock they will also take the time to knock you out as well. I hope this is satisfactory".

Having said that if he lives in Hull a time machine would really be needed to transport him to the present.

the days of a fight a scrum and tony fisher i'm told

though i witnessed the widnes pack of sorensen , the evil moriarty and others

Hauraki beaten without radford breaking a sweat. Least he had the guts to face him, not like that coward bailey.

Did he make Hauraki play the ball so he could punch him while he's bent over?

Without breaking a sweat all im reading from people there on twitter and this is that it went to decision and could have been given either way ?

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Either way Radford won and won the next 2 fights also
Give credit where its due and that's from a Rovers fan

Why should he have to ?

He's a professional rugby player not a professional boxer, not even an amateur boxer and as anyone who knows anything about boxing will tell you, theres a lot of damage that can be done in an amateur boxing ring, its not the place for playing around or settling some imaginary scores.

To think that there is some imaginary grudge between Radford and Bailey that needs settling in a boxing ring is naivety at best, dumb stupidity from a baying mob at worst, Bailey is one of the best in SL at winding up opposition players and earning penalties for his team while doing so, and in doing so giving away very few penalties in the process, he played an absolute blinder the last time the two players met which resulted in Radford losing one of the most important games of the season for and on behalf of his team in the most glorious of numbnut stylees - classic Bailey.


To want to have a fight on your testimonial evening tells us all everything about the mentality of this player.

Don't most social gatherings in Hull end in a fight?

Who's testimonial was it again? Well done Radders. Enjoy your retirement!

Almost compulsory, they even seem to have found a way to run a fundraising event by having a fight







Presumably if Radford had lost they would have had a woman standing by to climb in the ring with a stiletto shoe and a broken arm to adjudicate ?

your last two remarks about lee radford prooves you know nothing about the guy and what he has done when organising these boxing matches, one was for raising money for the steve prescott foundation that steve was truely greatfull for


no doubt you all run around dancing with flowers in your hair and throwing petals on the streets of leeds on night outs!

Maybe on [inights out[/i.....and to be honest I'm not sure Steve can ever be "truely greatfull"

I saw all I need to see of the guy when I went to watch a mates son beat Radford's charges whilst playing for West Bowling and he refused to shake hands at the end of the game. Kudos on the fund-raising but he's a sore loser!

You're absolutely right you know, I don't know the guy personally at all.

However I have to say that his public persona seems to be of the sort of person I'd try my best to avoid should I ever have the misfortune to be in the same room, the sort of person who can be deliberately wound up to the point where he forgets where he is and why he is there, forgets all about the ethos of "team" and what that team has worked hard at achieving for the past nine months, and starts throwing his fists around at a person who is in no position to defend himself at that moment.

Sounds like a great guy, solid bloke, "What do you want as the culmination of your testimonial year Lee ?"

"A fight please".

"to be Honest" ....Some Definitions.

1. an incredibly over-used refuge for the inarticulate to make a point of statement. Can be used in any sentence as long as you agree with yourself.

2. Absolutely pointless statement, that adds nothing to any conversation it is included in. Used by dumbasses to sound "smarter" or "prove a point".

3. Implies that the speaker usually lies, but will be honest this one time. Yeah right.

4. The crutch of a idiot who uses it to append declarative sentences in order to sound more authoritative.

To be honest, it sounds like somebody's cage has been rattled tonight...

If you've collated those from scratch then hats off to you.



Unfortunately I can't verify any of it but it looks good.