Yeah we need someone who can come and ruffle a few feathers.

I can't possibly think who you have in mind. Who could play that role for us?

Hmmmm

Let me think who in the squad is best equipped for that role.........

........old carvell.........let's play it safe.

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Duly noted........brilliant!!!!

I would agree McGuire is not the perfect solution for England, but who is? The lack of decent English halves is glaring - hence a converted New Zealander getting straight in.

I'd sooner have Charnley on the wing over Briscoe, you'll just have to cope with someone disagreeing with you. Can you manage that?

It must be very difficult to recall McGuire's performances in 2006 and 2008 down under when you weren't there. Thankfully, I was in attendance at both, so I can help you out here.

McGuire was dropped after the first game against the Kiwis in Christchurch in 2006 for a poor performance and replaced by Pryce at stand off for the game against Australia in Sydney, which GB won in his absence. Due to Carney's injury and exit from the tour after the win against Australia, Pryce had to replace Carney on the wing for the rest of the tour, hence McGuire's enforced reselection due to lack of alternatives. Despite another poor performance from McGuire in Wellington, there was no option but to select him and Horne for the final game against Australia in Brisbane due to the early departure home of Sean Long due to personal reasons. McGuire was crap throughout the 2006 Tri Nations.

In the 2008 World Cup, McGuire was dropped after the 52-4 loss against Australia. Apart from the missed tackles, the errors, the spear tackle on Inglis resulting in a penalty and the sublime grubber kick straight into the hands of Inglis leading to a length of the field try for Slater, I don't recall McGuire doing anything else of note. His return to the side for the Semi Final against the Kiwis saw him score two tries, but he was also directly responsible for the concession of three Kiwi tries along with a turnstile role in the concession of a fourth. Three further missed tackles and an ineffective tackle in that game is hardly worthy of your claim that it was a class performance from McGuire. In terms of an erroneous performance, he matched Ade Gardner that night.

If 2008 wasn't deemed as enough-is-enough, 2009 should certainly have closed the final curtain on McGuire's international career, because a couple of promising performances way back in 2004 prior to a role in the 4-44 hammering at Elland Rd just doesn't cut the mustard.

Having your tired old material blow up in your face with the Rhinos for most of the last seven years it must be a comfort to you Keith when the internationals start and you can dig out your old tried and trusted material.
You're like a seventies comic desperately searching for another TV show to repeat your old jokes.
Keith swiftcorn, rlfans very own Jim Davidson.
We get it, you don't think McGuire is as good as the Aussies.

I've merely called you on your selective interpretation of players performances in the national shirt. You can't call for the dropping of a player (Briscoe) on the basis of his poor performance against Australia (being replaced at half time) when arguably, another player (McGuire) was also replaced just after half time (and booed off the field) in the very same game for an even poorer performance!

Had you not included McGuire in your selection (which made a mockery of your assertion that Briscoe shouldn't be considered for England given the reasons you cited) then I wouldn't have responded at all.

For an individual who has gone on record on several occasions as not being interested in international RL, may I suggest you rehash one of your tired old Buderus/Diskin threads instead? Or how about another one of your trusted material threads on 4-times SL Grand Final winner Ian Kirke? I'll start you off shall I?


FOUR.

That's 4 Grand Final rings for Diskin.

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FOUR.

That's 4 Grand Fin.... erm, no... that's 4 drives from Ian Kirke

Give us your chalky impression Jim,sorry Keith

Swoosh, yet again the point is missed.

McGuire is in my 17 as we simply dont have adequte/available alternatives. Briscoe (in my opinion) is not good enough at test level, in a position where we do have adequate & available alternatives.

Racist comedians aren't my cup of T. Neither was an evening with another notorious one which was due to form part of a testimonial season some years back

I'm suprised you dignified it with a response. I thought you were too good for the likes of me?

Mcguire hasn't been great but he's certainly not been utter rubbish and hopeless for a decade. Everything is black or white with you, no middle ground.

There aren't adequate alternatives for Briscoe either.

What we have available is a number of players at halfback and wing positions who are Super League class, and that's all they are. None of them are adequate for international duties, and that includes McGuire, Briscoe and Hall. The last time Hall played against Australia, England were badly exposed on his wing where we conceded a glut of tries in the last 20 minutes. Neither McGuire, Briscoe or Hall are much better or worse than any of the alternatives for England. If you are arguing for Briscoe's non-selection for the reasons you cited earlier, you have to apply the same logic in the case of McGuire. But you didn't and you continue not to do so.

I responded because you put in some effort and merited it, despite the selective memory lapses. When you've spent £1000's following the international side down under on several occasions, only to witness just how poor our players are when exposed to higher standards which reside outside the comfort zone of Super League, the memory tends to be more reliable and accurate



McGuire's deficiencies outweigh any strengths he has to offer at international level and that's been the case throughout his international career. He's not the only one.

I shall reserve any undignified responses for the undignified G1 on this thread.

Sam Tomkins
Ben Jones-Bishop
Jack Reed
Carl Ablett
Tom Briscoe/Ryan Hall
Gareth Widdop
danny mcguire
James Graham
James Roby
Jamie Peacock
Gareth Ellis
Chris Heighington
Kevin Sinfield

sub
Rangi Chase
Ryan Bailey
Adrian Morley
Ben Westwood

You forgot about JJ-B.

Still... 7 out of 8 is a good effort.

And right on cue.........

Enough about Briscoe, I'd like to know why the OP decided to put Yeaman on the wing

and other people dropping him just so they can fit Ablett into the team. Oh dear!

sam Tomkins
ryan hall
Jack Reed
kirk yeaman
Tom Briscoe
Gareth Widdop
rangi chase
James Graham
James Roby
Jamie Peacock
Gareth Ellis
Ben westwood
Chris Heighington

sub

Ryan Bailey
Adrian Morley
Ben Westwood
Kevin Sinfield.

Regarding Chase as mom and his perfomance I thought he was hit and miss last night, certainly felt he didnt deserve mom, should have gone to roby or ellis. Also i dont think he offered us anything extra on what we already had available to us in the likes of myler who i would rather have in the team than chase. I also feel hes wound up too easily like at the end when he slapped the french player after the tackle, no need for it and we cant afford silly things like that against better teams. I would still play him against the welsh with widdop as we havent got any better options in the squad at the moment.

Ahhh yes, Manning-gate, I remember it well. Danny pestered me to go with him.

Edited for accuracy

There's nothing new in fans of victorious SL-title winning clubs glancing through their club-biased spectacles demanding the selection of their club players for the national side at the expense of all available positions and all other players.

I still recall with fond memories some of the laughable GB selection suggestions from Saints fans during some of their glory days... Mike Bennett, Tim Jonkers, John Stankevitch, Anthony Stewart, Ade Gardner, etc. Unfortunately, Ade Gardner became a reality!



My only surprise is that the OP didn't select BJ-B on the wing instead of Yeaman.

On another note, if Yeaman was the real deal centre for international duty, the absurdity of selecting a Super League standard squad player forward like Carl Ablett ahead of him at centre ought to be viewed as clear cut nonsense. The tragedy of the situation is that it isn't nonsense because Yeaman ain't a much better (if at all) option than Ablett.

To be fair, he changed his tune once he'd been made aware of a few ethical concerns.

The OP recognises that Yeaman offers solidity in both attack & defence. Briscoe doesn't. We aren't going to beat Oz by scintilating free-flowing RL, a mammoth defensive effort is required by all. Hence Ablett in the centre & Yeaman onto the wing. Solid but unspectacular will give us a chance in the 4 nations

You can't just sit back and let Oz attack you all game because we'll get no where. The OP is clueless if he really thinks that Briscoe doesn't offer anything. Yeaman and Briscoe work great together hence why they scored 39 tries betweem them in the league, and no other partnership got near them.
Like I said, there is nothing wrong with Briscoe's defence he's one of the best defensive wingers in England and is capable of producing magic too!