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| Quote ="tvoc"Nope (at least I don't think so) re Ryan Boyle.
The one you've missed is Sean Long's flying elbow V Castleford in the game that cost Richard Agar £3K minimum this week.'"
Ah, of course. Is that James Child's first SL red?
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| Boyle got sent off pre season v hkr iirc. Yesterday he had to go. He was nowhere near kicking the ball. He would have to go through burrow which he tried to do. Having said this isn't the wife beater an arrogant nob the way he speaks to people
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| Was a sending off, seemed to have a bit of a brain fart as I am sure cahill could have put a legal hit on burrow.
Regarding the touch judge just watched the tape back and sure peacock says to ganson "don't like him" he was joking think because we got called for a forward pass
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Ah, of course. Is that James Child's first SL red?'"
It wasn't even the first time Child has sent off a Hull player at the KC Stadium. I seem to recall him sending Jordan Tansey off for a spear tackle against the team he now plays for - when he's not cup-tied that is.
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| wouldn't a yellow have been more proportionate?
It was clumsy and tired but not malicious.
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| Cahill desrveed at least a yellow and the red was a bit harsh but I don't think Ganson had any choice.
Bryant's elbow was much worse, it was malicious, calculated and deliberate. He should have been sent off but if the ref/linesman didn't see I suppose putting him on report was fair. He should be banned for two games though. I bet that doesn't happen.
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| First look i shouted red card straight away, after seeing the head on replay the red card was harsh but the ref only gets one look so isuppose he had to go.Harris was being a knob though claiming they got a few bad calls.
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| Quote ="Rhino gaz"First look i shouted red card straight away, after seeing the head on replay the red card was harsh but the ref only gets one look so isuppose he had to go.Harris was being a knob though claiming they got a few bad calls.'"
Ok, Iestyn did winge a bit, but he is an ex Leeds player. Clarksons tackle on Clinton, the one where he went in feet first and hurt himself was a bit "iffy" and Lee Smith tackle on Kear was "lateish". And yes Bryant tackle was poor.
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| Dont know what harris is on about crusaders might aswell have had sleeping bags they were laying on for that long !!
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| Quote ="rhinogonemad"Dont know what harris is on about crusaders might aswell have had sleeping bags they were laying on for that long !!'"
Lol, they were slow getting up because Smith kept holding on to them.
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| a trip is a red card offense (unless you play for wigan)
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| As clear cut a sending off as you will see.
I agree with the BBC commentary team, there was nothing malevolent about it, it was just simply brain poop. I've been there myself as a player, tripping a show pony stand-off after he had put the ball down for a try
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"As clear cut a sending off as you will see.
I agree with the BBC commentary team, there was nothing malevolent about it, it was just simply brain poop. I've been there myself as a player, tripping a show pony stand-off after he had put the ball down for a try
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I think that was best shown by the way Leeds players were almost commiserating as he walked off the pitch. He had to go, but I think sending-off sufficient should be Red Hall's decision.
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| Quote ="Hopie"a trip is a red card offense (unless you play for wigan)'"
Quite so. Saturday's offence wasn't a trip though.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Quite so. Saturday's offence wasn't a trip though.'"
Ok then, 'playing keepie-uppie with Rob Burrow' is a sending off offence, even if you only do one.
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| Lee Smith should've received a yellow for his blatant off the ball shoulder charge. Crusaders should've received a penalty at the very least. He could've very very easily pulled out of that challenge. Just no need.
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| A lot of talk of the sending off and quite right the much worse Bryant challenge. But nothing mentioned about the Richard Moore one on Senior, where Senior looked at Ganson and laughed saying "you gotta be kidding". I would like to see that challenge again, because at full speed with it looks a really bad intended challenge to the head on Senior.
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| Quote ="Remarkable_Rhinos"Lee Smith should've received a yellow for his blatant off the ball shoulder charge. Crusaders should've received a penalty at the very least. He could've very very easily pulled out of that challenge. Just no need.'"
While acknowledging your general perception of Smith (who I thought had a good game overall at full-back) I have to agree re the challenge on Kear (?) after his kick down the line. A minimum of a penalty to Crusaders went begging there and arguably it was deserving of a spell in the sin-bin. Ganson is just another poor referee, although I liked his 'don't worry about that, don't you think I've got enough .....' before issueing a warning on the run to Schifkofske about packing down correctly at the base of the scrum.
That said Ganson did notice Smith holding down as Leeds continue to concede a penalty a week while in possession.
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| Quote ="Remarkable_Rhinos"Lee Smith should've received a yellow for his blatant off the ball shoulder charge. Crusaders should've received a penalty at the very least. He could've very very easily pulled out of that challenge. Just no need.'"
Smith did exactly what he should have at that point in the game.
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| Quote ="tvoc"While acknowledging your general perception of Smith (who I thought had a good game overall at full-back) I have to agree re the challenge on Kear (?) after his kick down the line. A minimum of a penalty to Crusaders went begging there and arguably it was deserving of a spell in the sin-bin. Ganson is just another poor referee, although I liked his 'don't worry about that, don't you think I've got enough .....' before issueing a warning on the run to Schifkofske about packing down correctly at the base of the scrum.
That said Ganson did notice Smith holding down as Leeds continue to concede a penalty a week while in possession.'"
And Ganson to Sinfield after Smith kicked the ball away after a knock on "Which was my fault, apparently".
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| He never seems to notice when rat boy holds onto a player every time he's tackled does he,mind you none of the other refs spot it either.
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| Quote ="tvoc"While acknowledging your general perception of Smith (who I thought had a good game overall at full-back) I have to agree re the challenge on Kear (?) after his kick down the line. A minimum of a penalty to Crusaders went begging there and arguably it was deserving of a spell in the sin-bin. Ganson is just another poor referee, although I liked his 'don't worry about that, don't you think I've got enough .....' before issueing a warning on the run to Schifkofske about packing down correctly at the base of the scrum.
That said Ganson did notice Smith holding down as Leeds continue to concede a penalty a week while in possession.'"
Was it also Smith that turned a scrum into a penalty for booting the ball away? Again, no need. He's arrogant. That's my main problem. He acts as if he thinks the rules don't apply to him (he's not the only one before you all start!).
With the deliberate and constant holding down, blatant shoulder charge that luckily didn't result in us having to play with 12 and handing them the boost they needed, needlessly kicking the ball away resulting in a penalty, and letting the ball bounce on far to many occasions, he did have two moments of above-averageness.
In summary; two moments of above-averageness, several moments of below-averageness = another average Lee Smith performance.
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| The trouble with ganson is he loves himself and loves to be centre of attention.
On sending off at the game I straight away thought sending off,watching it back today wasn't too much in it, Bryant challenge was worse.
Slightly OT but Bryant reminds me a bit of the guy from "The goonies?" not a looker
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| Ganson viewed it as a 'trip' in the context of the rule book and that is an automatic Red Card offence, end of, and as such Ganson was right. That said, it was not particular malicious but it was stupid and late and he got what he deserved but that is all there is to it. Sending off sufficient should be the disciplinary decision.
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| Quote ="Remarkable_Rhinos"Was it also Smith that turned a scrum into a penalty for booting the ball away? Again, no need. He's arrogant. That's my main problem. He acts as if he thinks the rules don't apply to him (he's not the only one before you all start!).
With the deliberate and constant holding down, blatant shoulder charge that luckily didn't result in us having to play with 12 and handing them the boost they needed, needlessly kicking the ball away resulting in a penalty, and letting the ball bounce on far to many occasions, he did have two moments of above-averageness.
In summary; two moments of above-averageness, several moments of below-averageness = another average Lee Smith performance.'"
Thought he did well. Yes Has a childish streak to his game that needs to be cut out but he isn't on his own
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