Senior WAS one of our better players tonight, at least from the armchair point of view I had. (apart from the 10 mins or so when the storm hit leeds and sky went AWOL). A couple of errors, so what! He more than made up for it recovering ball from their errors IMO.
Senior +1

Because the OP has made his mind up on each and every player. He has his favourites, and his targets, and desperately tries to find evidence in each game to justify said theories ... whether the evidence exists or not.

As did other players.

Read my first post regarding Burgess

Classic knee-jerker.

Maverick Rhino = spot on.

If you can't see that Senior was one of the better players on the pitch tonight you are a loon and should give up with your "Thoughts on tonight/today" threads.

So all the other points are valid you don't agree with one so I should stop posting - thanks - when I post as much diatribe as you I will consider refraining from posting - maybe you should also consider that?

Why on earth focus on what he could have done and not what he did do?

Aside from that you're right to criticise his awful knock on and his poor play for Dixon's try.

Not so sure McGuire was "immense" but won't criticise a half back in those conditions (though he was at fault for cas' first try with an awful ball from dummy half).

Burgess should be dropped for Bailey. Truly awful ball retention.

Discipline is, frankly, becoming beyond a joke and if McLennan is unable to sort it our soon it will be the death of us. Mr Hetherington needs to have a serious word in the coaches ear about this failing especially as the coach himself identified it before the Saints cup game and seems incapable of doing anything about it.

Pleased with the defensive effort but thought we were awful ball in hand. Though the conditions didn't help they didn't hinder Cas as much. Cas had a much better kicking game, by some distance.

Oh, and Shenton didn't look any great shakes up against Ablett but nonetheless he did ingratiate himself to me by handing us the win.

It was meant to be ironic...

But a s G1 has pointed out, your apparent point is so ridiculous, then yes, please cease.

In Senior's defence, I'm not sure why Leeds were determined to fling the ball out to him in such conditions when taking a tap on their 20.

Pretty obvious really two minutes to go they were not making any headway him and Hall seemed the only outlet at the time given that both Ablett and Smith looked either injured or shattered

A huge issue as you say, just watching the replay and Tony Smith keeps stating the obvious when pointing out the negative effects in terms of field position and tries conceded.

tvoc will no doubt pop along with the stats on penalty counts, I've lost count again, suffice to say we are still losing the majority of penalty counts.

I get more furious every week about this. Especially when Mclennan has publicly stated he's aware of it and he's going to (when?) do something about it.

It appears he is unable.

Did you go to the game Gareth the conditions were appalling Cas had so much ball in the first half and managed one try from a dropped ball by Hall and one from a really bad defensive play from Senior not sure what else they did with the ball tbh. We had some players who simply could not adjust their play to the conditions Webb never looked like catching a high ball and Burgess never looked like keeping hold of one

No I watched on telly. It looked V bad. I thought the only try where they opened us up was the Chase one.

Psst, Hall's dropped ball was a really bad pass from McGuire at dummy half, behind him and over his shoulder.

I thought Cas handled the conditions much, much better than us part of which was down to their superior kicking game. Sherwin and Chase were very good for them.

First half: Castleford 7 (consecutive) Leeds 2

Second half: Castleford 1 , Leeds 4

Exit poll data. Margin of error +/- 3%

One of best away days i have been on.
Rain was fantastic and to the lads who took there tops off Well Done to you.

Another one lost then ... what's the ratio for the season so far? Not pretty reading I am sure.

It really is a key problem and the coach needs to get it fixed.

To be fair there appeared to be evidence at Huddersfield (I think) of a specific effort to eliminate dissent as all the players were making a point of accepting decisions calmly and quietly. That seems to have been a flash in the pan as its creeping back in; and tonight had a dissent penalty and McGuire waving his arms around and shouting at the referee.

It appears the team still need to remove the coaches emotion from their mindset when they cross the white line.

Leeds:

15 - 1st grade fixtures (All Comps)

Penalty Counts Won : 5
Penalty Counts Lost : 8
Penalty Counts Shared 2

Total Penalties For : 111
Total Penalties Against : 129

Discipline really does need sorting. I don't understand why it hasn't been by now. And you're right it will cost us big time if it isn't addressed soon.

On the telly the conditions looked atrocious - far worse than last years GF. Summer rugby

I fell asleep just before half time (was watching the reply) and from what I saw of him in the first half, I thought senior did well.

How are Burrow and Donald doing? Burrow looked in a lot of pain

We had inferior discipline and kicking game (why were we not hoisting the ball in the air at every opportunity?). Cas had far superior go-forward - they nearly always carried defenders forward after the tackle impact and won all the defensive collisions comprehensively. Once again we scrambled well, but I wonder what it would have been llike if it hadn't rained and Cas could have been able to move the ball around near our line?
Burgess is going backwards - poor ball retention, leaden defending - Bailey by plenty. Kylie looks so keen to get to ground to play the ball you barely need to tackle him, Diskin has caught Ray Wilkins disease and Sinfield is like a wet clound hanging over the team (what the feck is wrong with the guy? I've never seen such a miserable looking barsteward - smile you miserable sod!).
Not a night for backs - you can only really look bad in those conditions - so hard to criticise there - they all worked hard.

The players obviously have a strong work ethic and team spirit, and there is real quality in the squad, but not a lot else looks right at the moment.

as regards the penaltys we give too many stupid ones away.smiths choice to penalise webb for moving off the mark was petty and stupid. both teams did it all night. he marched us ten for dissent yet when he penalised cas sargent gave him a real gobfull and nothing was done.

pretty selective imo.

burgess is like thackery. takes the ball in well but his ball retention is shocking. he also was at fault for a try when chase,i think,went through him.
the will to win was supurb and i think senior is still the go to man and had a great fame.
being down to 14 very early on hit us hard,yes we could have done better, but the boys were magnificent and it was 2 good points.

Pretty much agree with you mate.
Also it's worth noting imo that we haven't beaten cas at their place for years so it was a great 2 points!!

According to good old Bill Arthur Donald had a sore jaw and tingling down 1 arm and Burrow had a dead leg. Neither were risked and IMO it was when Burrow went off that we looked the inferior side going forward. Still, was as good a game I have seen all year in the SL and I though on the whole the handling was good from both teams although it did get scrappy towards the end of the 2nd but can you blame them? Thats the worst rain i've seen since I was in KL a few years back.

I just hope having Diskin and Buderus on at the same time was purely because of injuries and not tactical, if it is supposed to be tactical it is more suited to an under 11's side.

Having 2 hookers on, one for each side of the field is completely amateur.