Of course we were in danger. Had Ah Van held onto a ball with a clear try begging, the whole middle eights would have looked totally different. Not even taking into account, had Salford put over the drop goal.

That's up there with we only lost x amount of games by 1 pt etc followed by ifs buts & maybes.
We didn't it never happened so we move on.

I meant in my opinion we were in more danger of not even qualicying for the MPG . Were very lucky in games and lu ky that Salford lozt there main man

Of course we move on luckily, but it doesn’t change the fact that to say we were not in danger is completely wrong. We were very much in danger, and needed luck to get out of it. Just like in some cases the opposite luck played a part in why we were in the mess. We didn’t get out of that relegation fight because we were any class above.

Yes, Wigan are masters at staying very close to both sides of the legal spoiling line. But they are also brilliant at defence. For the last couple of months I have been dreading the semi ending up as Wigan away. Anyone else I would have been more confident of beating.

lucky to win the Salford game and the Widnes game. That Widnes dropped catch in the last minute save us playing in the MPG at Toronto.

Well maybe but you're assuming the score against Toronto at home would have been the same, if that game had been win or MPG I would like to think we play better, anyway its an utterly pointless discussion with a load of what ifs, ATEOTD we didn't end up in the MPG and we are in SL next year, raking over the details of the games we have just played in is pointless, we have some new players and a new coach coming in we need to draw a line under the utter shambles of 2018 and move on.

well said Chris.

This.

It’s one thing battering a team, swaggering around and mouthing off when on top.

When push comes to shove he can’t dig a team out like Sinfield or McGuire could / can.

Neither can Myler.

You were bored yesterday weren't you mate?

not expecting this team to win today !

After the First pre season friendly is out of the way there is obviously still a bit of work to be done with our 2019 squad. For starters we still have a few players who should be knowhere near our match day 17 even if we have another injury crisis we'd be better off giving young academy players a game if we had injuries. I hope within this next month before season starts we can get rid of the following either on loan or gone permanently Mullally, Walters and Ormandroyd for definite they are not Super league players at all and i would personally like us to get rid of L. Briscoe and L. Sutcliffe but i know that those two leaving this season are highly unlikely as Briscoe just signed a new 3 year deal which he doesn't deserve for his performances and Sutcliffe signed an extension last year but they are also not Super league players. But if we managed to get some of these dead wood players off our books I'd hope we Bring in a good solid meter making prop as i still think we lack one in our current forwards and i also think we should reward James Donaldson with a 1 year contract and see how he goes he could be useful to rotate with our other back rowers and is a better option than Walters and Ormandroyd put together. Come January 31st if our 2019 squad looks like this I would back us to win at least one trophy next year and would think we should be know where near getting dragged into the relegation battle.

1. Walker
2. T.Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Hurrell
5. Handley
6. Lolohea
7. Myler
8. Cuthbertson
9. Parcell
10. Singleton
11. Merrin
12. Ablett
13. Ward
14. Dwyer
15. New Prop( hopefully Ikahihfo)
16. Ferres
17. Crosby
18. Peteru
19. Oledzki
20. JJB
21. Golding
22. Smith
23. Mclellend
24. Donaldson
25. Newman
26. A.Sutcliffe
27. Waite-Pullan
28. Holdroyd
29. Trout
30. Johnson
31. Dupree

For the umpteenth time, if clubs dont want players we are looking to offload then we are stuck with them and either they agree to go elsewere or sit out their contracts in the stands. Or we pay them off which still counts on the salary cap. But nobody wants them.
Also L Briscoe was given a contract based on his end of season performance, so obviously the Ceo Director of Rugby and head coach belived he deserved it, and thats all that matters.

I do understand how a contract works I'm giving my opinion that I would like these players to go i know it's not that easy and realistically all the players I've listed will probably sit their contracts out I was just giving my opinion on them like I'm entitled too, and i know why Briscoe got the contract but again in my opinion he doesn't deserve it but obviously my opinion must be wrong?

On what I saw today Donaldson tries hard but offers little a rural quality. I saw nothing to separate him from Walters in terms of overall contribution so I see little point trying to offload one who isn't going to improve us for another who won't.

We are well stocked for the back 3 (Merrin, ward, Smith, ablett, JJB, Ferres, and then you have sutty who was as good as Walters and Donaldson today and petreu who can play there).

Manure was he?

Have, it's rare predictive text is more accurate than what you were trying to say but it's got it right here.

Actually that's harsh, he tried hard but is no better than what we already have - some may say that does make him manure though.

I felt a bit sorry for the lad, first touch drops the ball and they score, TBF though he went ok for the rest of the game Id have him over Walters any day of the week

I agree with the first bit and I purposefully didn't mention his first 40 seconds on the pitch (you missed his slip for the try)



I'm not sure what he offers beyond Walters though, especially given neither will be expected to play many games when most of the squad are fit.

This is where we should be giving Trout ,Mustapha & Mconnel game time.
Get rid of the passengers like Ormanroyd Walters Donaldson Mullally etc & try the young lads out.

I kind of agree. I see little point in signing Donaldson and have no great desire to retain Walters. Baring a significant injury crisis neither walters nor Donaldson would get any real gametime anyway. Having quality youngsters come in and play a small number of carefully selected games is good sensible development.

I agree apart from mullally, we’re a little light in the forwards and he does an ok job IMO.

Please don't give Donaldson a contract, he's no better than Ormanroyd, Mullally and Walters. I agree we need to ship out the dross and there is still plenty in the current squad. If Furner thinks Cuthbertson is a front rower then he is disillusioned. Cuthbo is shot!

Donaldson has a great attitude and will never give less than 100% but he's too small for SL. In a long season you need a decent sized squad so maybe he's likely just to be "another body".

I disagree. He looked perfectly capable, and certainly a lot better than the players he was competing with. What I do agree with however, is that he should be nothing more than that squad man filling in. This is all fine, as long as the starting ones really shoukdn’t Be more than squad men as well. In our case that is the debatable bit.