Hull aren’t average at all, they are going through a bit of an injury crisis but finding a way to navigate through it, its no surprise they are inconsistent with constantly swapping the side around.

They came with a game plan that suited the squad and executed it, with Leeds being so poor that’s all they needed to do it’s the sign of a well coached side, i know hodgson hasn’t had a great start last year but he will be s decent coach IMO

Last night Hull had a depleted team that were absolutely there for the taking.

I'm taking nothing away from Hull performance - you can only play what you are on the field against.

But for Leeds to be at home, 0-31 down with 10 minutes to go is unforgivable.

We have Liam Sutcliffe chatting and joking with Jake Connor with 10 mins to go.

When Joe Cater was injured, we have all our players stood around hands on hips for 5 minutes. They should be in a huddle, geeing each other up.

There are a lot of well paid players at Leeds and the fans show up week in week out at least looking for some passion and entertainment. So far this season - and last - that has been totally missing. If they don't want to play for Leeds, that is fine - do a Segayaro/Merrin and play elsewhere.

I can only hope Leeming/Bentley/Newman returning helps - but all sides have injury crises and its how you deal with it.

At the moment we (Leeds) look like a Championship side. Its simply been not good enough now for too long.

Don't get me wrong, Leeds (unlike the sudden rush of Saints fans) don't have a god given right to win every week. They need to WORK for it.

But something needs to change and the only thing Leeds haven't changed is the coaching setup.

Good post, we certainly do not have a right to win ever week, ive got absolutely zero issue with us losing games, none at all as long as the team look like the are giving their all or at least trying.

Listening to the Agar interview and Luke Gales comments last night.
Gale alluding to the fact Leeds have got the players but something isn`t right.
Also saying he and Agar didn`t see eye to eye.
Is it coincidence that what many of us thought would be a pretty good half back partnership slowly becoming one of the worse in the League?
Could it be the coach is asking them to do things that they do not agree with just like Luke Gale didn`t?
I personally rated Gale and thought him and Sezer would have worked but clearly Agar had other ideas.
Full credit to Hull last night their forwards completely mullered ours.
And considering they didn`t have their first choice half backs playing makes it all the more depressing.

Agar churns out the same post match interview wherever he coaches.

When he was at Hull, we trained brilliantly each week for 3-4 years and won nothing!

Agar's masked slipped a bit during the press conference on the club site. Started off the usual guff but when a coach alludes to not flogging a dead horse its pretty clear he doesn't know what to do. Maybe he's different alone with the team but he just doesn't radiate anything when we lose - just a sort of world weariness.

Our squad is short in some key areas, but its a lot better than 2019 when Furner got sacked. We won't need Lui-style signings to turn things around for this season, but its looking very unlikely that things will really change with Agar as coach.

Yep as a long suffering Hull fan watching the game last night and seeing how Leeds looked completely rudderless was reminiscent of the days of games played under Agars tenure (of which we had many). Listening to him he still sounds like the same broken record and I'm amazed he still in the job at Leeds. I really had the game down as a hammering for us with so many out injured and players playing out of position then loosing another 3-4 during the game I was waiting for us to run out of gas and Leeds to come back but there was nothing and no leadership on the field from Leeds.
As for signing Sezer has he actually arrived?

And their lies the problem.
He`s done nothing at each club he`s managed and I would say probably made them worse.
He`s been lucky here as we have had injuries like last season so fans were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
The season before that we were going through a transition again getting the benefit of the doubt.
This season on paper we have a top four squad but had a few suspensions/injuries pretty much like most teams so once again given some leeway it seems.
Somebody somewhere should smell the coffee and get rid.
The worry is there`s nobody that springs to mind least of all Long, JJB and Walker.

When does Gale arrive at Hull? Im sure he signed for you in the off season

He's just taking a short break after doing more in the game against St's than Sezer has done in 5 games



In all seriousness as a neutral observer in terms of Sezer I'm just not sure what to make of him, as he seems to be talked about as an NRL star but at Huddersfield he was in the most part pretty anonymous and so far for you guys he doesn't seem to have turned up at all from the games I've seen. Do you think it's down to Agars game plans/training, or him and Austin don't make a good halfback pairing or something else as he never looks that bothered on the field.

Don’t think he was bad in his first year at Hudds, wasn’t he a MOS contender?

I think the main issue is we are getting battered upfront and can never get ontop of the opposition, we also have a bit of a distribution issue, especially with dwyer in the field so both halves aren’t getting decent service.

Halfbacks always seem to get the blame when often the issues lie elsewhere.

Put lewis Dodd in our team, do you think he’d look like a rising superstar like he does at saints? I very much doubt it.

Agar was the same at Hull, we had players that like Fizgibbon, O'Meley, Horne and some decent backs but we had no game plan, at all. When you see Agar, he doesn't give any emotion away, devoid of anger so it is hard to see how his half time talk would have been anything other than that, tepid, insipid and uninspiring. I tipped that squad for top 3, but I did say that may not happen with the current coach, which is proving the case. I honestly expected a mullering tonight, fatigued after a 4 day turnaround, we had no halves, our second row and LF missing, makeshift wingers and we never looked like losing. Don't get me wrong, I am happy - Leeds for the main part have been our bogey team in SL, so a win was brilliant, but we didn't have a lot to beat did we?

I thought he was excellent at Hudds.
I was gutted when they got him ahead of us.
But he's been dreadful for us so far.

BTW - Tui doing well at Hudds at the moment.
Gale gone.
I'm beginning to think there is a major problem between Agar and half backs.

After having to suffer him as head coach at Hull and seeing the same traits in Leeds as we did at here at Hull I think its a fair question to ask if the big problem is Agar. As GrahamBray has mentioned we had some great players at Hull during Agars tenure but we were totally devoid of any creativity or real desire and achieved nothing under him infact we steadily went backwards.

I feel for you (not too much of course

) as we've been there with Agar ourselves.

We have all worked for poor managers in our normal working life and we all know the impact a good manager can have on the people they manage - RL is no different. A poor manager will only ever get the minimum out of their team and that is where Leeds are at the moment. A change of coach would be a great if you get the right coach Watson has shown himself to be a good coach now he has removed the players that didn't by into his ideas/culture e.g. Sezer/McIntosh etc.

Poor managers make poor decisions that are obvious to their team and the underminds their position. Stevie Wonder can see Briscoe and Sutcliffe should never be anywhere near the centre position in a top side but he keeps picking them. Dwyer kills all structured play - in part his presence makes Sezer/Austin look worse than they are. Looked a lot better with Johnson on the field - Dwyer knew that hence his not wanting to leave the field despite his cut.

The bench last night would have embarrassed Wakefield such was the poor quality of its content - surely we have better youngsters than the likes of Thompson and Mellor. What has Broadbent done to not get picked?

Oldeski always seems to get a free pass on here - he offers no go forward and Hull just ran past or through him last night. All this he is playing on one legs crap!! I can accept his mind is elsewhere - if that is the case he should not be playing.

That's not fair. We had 'the drop off' and give it to Willie Manu, both tactics served him well at Hull

With all due respect that’s nonesense. Look at his stats, he’s 3rd on the tackle count list in SL for starters and his metres stats aren’t bad either

Oledski is far from being the issue here

Says it all.

That`s what I said.
Gale was/is a good player but Agar didn`t like him.
Maybe Agar and Long possibly want their halves to play their way which is surprising if Longs involved as he was a much better half back than what we currently have/had recently.

Gale played 22 games for us in 2 years, through injury, suspension and throwing his toys out of the pram that's not good enough really. He's not had a great start in that respect at Hull either.

I got told Agar dislikes Gale because of his herpes, I think that’s what he said.

Agar's time at Hull was awful. Our win record against the big clubs was Saints won 2/8, Wigan won 1/7, Warrington won 1/7, Leeds won 0/10.

We never won a play off game and in his three full seasons 2009-2011 we never beat a SL club in the Challenge Cup.

Similar to Jack Walker missing so many but he`s still here.
Maybe Gale threw his toys out because Agar was telling him how a half back should play?

Very good