Absolutely agree.

Agreed.

I know it's almost impossible but we just haven't replaced the work JP got through in the middle of the park he was such a corner stone and reliable for big minutes even when surrounded by inferior players and indeed carried a few.

I liked what i saw of Prior. Oledzki has to step up this year he has done his apprenticeship now hopefully he doesn't stagnate like Singleton did as there so much potential. We really lack a metre muncher still though and still look a bit soft up front; packs like this Hull one today will always get over us.

Think ill give this forum a miss this week for the sake of my sanity.

Fwiw we were dire but we got absolutely battered by a huge Hull FC team, they will do that to some very good teams this year its just a question of whether they can be consistent, if they aren’t there will be as many Radford out posts as Agar out posts on here.

There were some positives, Prior went well but needs to watch his tackling technique, Mellor looked handy out of position, Smith looked good and Gale does improve the side.

Hull are huge across the park bar Sneyd and Shaul

Look grand final quality Hull. But let's see. We have serious work to do on and off the field

Agree with every word. Perhaps I’m less fussed about this loss than some previous ones because of the emotional impact of what’s happened with Rob. There’s more to life than winning or losing a game of rugby.

There will always be next week...

Cam Smith and Prior our best 2 for me. Thought Martin was really poor. Suttcliffe is just a nothing player, Newman back to and L Briscoe to wing and for christ sake...Two props on the bench, every game, no exceptions.

Or next season provided we do another Houdini

Even if we don’t, which I’m sure we will, then it’s not the end of the world. For at least a year Leeds would take huge crowds to grounds that rarely see them and all the Championship clubs would benefit massively from a financial perspective.

Would it be disappointing, certainly. Would it be terminal, no.

Were one game in!

My ratings
Walker -5
Newman-4
Hurrell-4
Handly-5
Lui-4
Gale-5
Prior-8
Dwyer-4
Oledszki-5
Martyn-4
Ward-5
C.Smith-7

Myler-5
Cuthbo-6
Donaldson-5
Mellor-5

Agar -2.

Same dross same weakness' different year.

I know, I’m not slitting my wrists, just replying to Lionarmour (who I don’t think is either).

We weren’t good, other weeks we will be better and sometimes worse. It’s a mark of where we are at. Inconsistency will come because we’re going to have to play some kids or players not really up to top of the table rugby, and that’s something we will have to live with.

I think we will finish somewhere in the 6-8 place range, there’s plenty that will be better than us, but also a few who will be worse.

Sat on the fence enough for you?

First 15 matched them quite well but then basic errors and poor defensive decisions cost us just like it has last 2 years, Hull will be a top 5 team this season if they can keep the core of their squad fit and have consistency but some our tackle attempts today were shocking especially in the middle of the park you don't mind when teams through good shape and open you up out wide with good lines and dummy runners to gain numbers but when 2 or 3 players that our forwards give soft arm tackles and allow offloads that lead to tries it's really poor. It's only first game of season so theres no need to panic but I fear it could be a another long old season if we do not recruit a big no nonsense metere making prop out pack is very lightweight especially today when we had Seumanufagai missing ( I hope he's back for Hudds next week). We wouldn't have won that game if we was given another 80 mins to play because Hulls pack and kicking game was far too good for us, but Thaler is inconsistent and as poor as every other ref in super league how he allows certain players to slow the ruck down and have hands in but the pings others straight away for it is ridiculous, also I hope the sport gets rid of the ref on field call for try or no try as it impacts the decision of video ref far too much imo, the Hull hooker knocked on for me for their second try and if Thaler sent Dwyer to Gale up as a try I feel at least one of then would have been given. Also hicks was very quick to disallow Handley try in the corner where if anything I think his knee and goes out same time as he grounds the ball but hey ho super league officials are invisible and can not be criticised cause they never make mistakes. Prior looked good today tackled well and took some good carries, Gale tried to organise but his pack was out muscled and beaten all game plus it's his first super league game for nearly 2 years so he won't be blowing too hot for us yet, dwyer is a impact hooker I've always said he can't organise and runs too many plays due to his erratic playing style I'd start Myler at hooker til Leeming's fit and use Dwyer for 15- 20 min cameos when opposition defences get tired every other player was average-poor due to hull being on top so much, Agar needs to find his best and most balanced fast so we don't fall too far behind the rest so early in the season.Hope we turn up better for Hudds next week and looks like Hurrell will be missing due to the new HIA assessment rules.

little quality in the squad, the hooker is garbage, the coach is uninspiring and poor.
long season ahead

Very sensationalist and over the top on here. If hull can be consistent they will challenge for the grand final.

Just saying 'shambles' is meaningless and adds little of value.

He's not garbage (that doesn't mean he's great either), he's just not a starting hooker. Again, over the top.

Where did you get Konrad Hurrell from? He looks a poor mans Vainikolo with 3 stone extra weight, half the pace and the turning circle of an oil tanker

I'm surprised by a lot of people (not necessarily on here) predicting Leeds to finish 4th or 5th. As i said before it will take another season like last season outside Saints to allow us to sneak in.

Hull were ok today nothing special, but they didn't have to be did they. I'm sure they will improve and anywhere outside top 3 for them should be seen as a failure.

My point still stands, predicting the season n from the first game is a total fools errand

I disagree hull were very good and you do them a disservice IMO, a couple of inches more (ooo er) and we could have scored 3 trys, now I’m not saying we were good we weren’t but writing a team off after one game is daft

That's some pack Hull have got. Very impressive recruitment by them.

On Wednesday I had a complete shoulder reverse replacement operation, I would rather go through that again than watch a season of that. 54 years ago my dad first took me to headingley,I don't remember feeling so flat at the beginning of a season. Maybee that's age but maybee because that was 3.

Agree with all of the above

Still 2 wingers short.

Handley is still an utter liability and cannot tackle for toffee.