What's funny?, You have to start somewhere he did and he has proved he is a born winner and has won something no matter where he has coached...

I could live with that personally...
Brian McClennan by Plenty!...

Full strength side v full strength side, on top form, I'd go Saints every time (although not by a large margin).

However, over the course of the season, I worry that our paper thin squad will struggle to go the distance and still can't see past a repeat of the last 2 seasons - Saints for the CC, Leeds for the SL.

This has turned into a Leeds bitchfest...

I just think Leeds and Saints are so far ahead of everyone it is embarrassing so generally I only compare us with you as you're the only side I believe capable of stopping us and vice versa unless either put in a woeful performance. It is the simple things which have surprised me with Leeds so far this season. For instance.....

Defensively Leeds are not anywhere near as good as Saints right now.

Going forward I feel you could play all day and not score anywhere near enough times to beat us at the moment.

Saints' forwards are bullying Leeds', which I haven't seen happen for a long time.

Leeds have no structure at all and are tactically way out from previous years.

In general, Leeds have gone backwards when I expected this to be the year when they would really dominate and win the double.

Anyway, I'm sure it will improve hugely and there will be some huge games between us yet to come this season.

when you going to learn to play in water?

It’s always nice to point out ones inadequacies.

Although you will insist otherwise your post is nothing but a veiled, slightly disguised dig at Leeds.

Trolling is too strong a word for your posts but they’re definite attempts to provoke negative responses.

I hope McClennan can't.

some Saints fans are getting a bit carried away after what was in fact a very good performance on the day.....



but they need to reflect on

The HKR defeat



The Celtics emabarrasment

I'll reflect on those between now and the cup draw.

Well he's paid for that and i'm not so let's hope so...

Take your point on a minority of fans getting carried away, but the Celtic game was played in atrocious conditions and we came away with 2 pts - hardly an embarassment in the circumstances - and I don't think we'll be only top team to drop points to HKR.

Fair comment.

I just threw those comments in to balance some of the more extreme hyperbolic witterings from some of your fellow fans.


I like Potters recent comments on the game. I think you have dropped on a real gem there.

I think the fact that we have added Puletua and you've missed out on Eastwood and are forced to play Ablett (who is cack) has made a big difference.

One thing that stood out for me at Old Trafford was the size of your second row compared to ours (e.g. JJB/Lauitiiti against Wilkin/Gilmour) making your pack much stronger - not the case so far this season.

We all have them!

Unlike Potter, I have to say I always thought we had enough and never really felt the game was in the balance.

That is, of course, apart from the last play of the match when I thought you were about to do us with a Wide To West of your own!!

Just on the centres, the whole idea this year was to give Smith/Watkins/Gibson game time and let one of them make right centre their own. Personally, I think that is still the right way to go. Let's assume for a second that Watkins takes another season or so to mature. In the meantime we have Smith (at least for a while) who could take the role, and Gibson, who may or may not have what it takes. Far rather that than sign a nobody centre from Aus who may be slightly better than what we have now but prevents all three getting first team experience.

When Senior quits I would hope that if one of the locals hasn't become a star then Leeds should look to sign a big name - not a Carmont but a top drawer Aussie. like Matt King...



As for Wilkin, he and Sinfield are very good club players but hopelessly ill-equipped for internationals IMO.

That's Leeds fans for you. A bit of form and a few wins and we're the greatest ever. One defeat and we're doomed and the players are uselss.

And coach and CEO don't ever forget them. The legitimate subjects discussed within this thread have been bubbling along in other threads since around the Hull KR game. I don't see the need for a loss to talk crap.

....must resist the obvious response..................

Fill your boots. It was put in there to save you the trouble.

I'm a little more cautious than some of my fellow fans in that while it is always great to beat Leeds (great is actually an understatement), and to do so with the style that we have the last twice, I think that Leeds have yet to hit form. Once they do, and they will, we may not have such a good time of it especially since our form is bound to dip at some point in the season.

Unless we're in for another 2006 and that would be just amazing.

I'd agree with that one - although i don't think Ablett is cack. Add to that the loss of Ellis and your pack looks like having the edge at the moment.

This is the usual sort of drivel/arrogance that usually un-does Saints at some point in the season.

Saints played very well on Sunday, were worthy winners, and at the mo are easily the best team in the comp. Its called form. Just as easily as it comes, it can go - injuries/suspensions/prison sentences permitting.

The cup is now yours to lose - yet another boringly one sided final looms, but given theres 6 months until the grand final, much will change

You've already told me off for lowering my standards this week then you tempt me with that. I'm all in a tizzy.

Looks like i beat you too it during a discussion last week on the St Helens board...