Im just not sure how to separate the two as a more casual/relaxed/passive approach seems to inevitably lead to the same mindset in these other areas ie ball control In the ruck though also the example of Handleys offload into Smith's face. The early knock on from Tindall came off poor execution but also forcing the pass under pressure. For me they need to recognise when to play that way and I don't think it's when you've not been in the game and another error invites more energy sapping line defence.

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/rugb ... y-26906830 Thought provoking read.

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/rugb ... y-26906830 Thought provoking read.

I couldn't make it across to the game last night and watched in TV. After that first half, atrocious continuation of last week's tripe, I almost put I'm a celebrity final on instead of the 2nd half. I didn't and I'm so glad, we turned into the Leeds team that we can be.
I'm not going to dissect it as others on here have already said everything, the only thing I can hope is that 2nd half entertaining Leeds sticks around to play a few games instead of that awful, uninspiring dross that is first half Leeds.

They’re still learning. Being asked to play a very different way. Think we might all agree it’s better than watching 5 drives and a kick?

There is a huge difference between a game plan which involves throwing passes and going for it when it is appropriate and throwing the pass every time, when it isn’t really on.
Fairly clear Smith is not suggesting the second option. The first option is what we did in the second half. In the first half we did the second option. Fairly obvious what the difference is.
Being able to distinguish which is which is some coaching but a lot of it is the players.
On the defence I haven’t ever thought we were that passive, I also don’t think this obsession with flying up and applying pressure is the only way to play or defend.

Overall I would much rather watch a team and support a club who want to play an attractive brand of rugby, that might god forbid encourage people to watch the game. If you want to watch super structured, rush up wrestle defence there are plenty of teams you can watch play that style.

There is more than one way to play, we play a way not many others do. It means there will be inconsistency, there will be frustrating games, halves and runs of form. However, there will be breathtaking games, halves and runs of form.

So much negativity on here. Oh yeah it was a good second half but a quality team would have played that way for 80 mins and been 30 up at half time. Wigan are rubbish. Etc etc

We won the game, against a team near the top, at their home ground, when we were down to 12 for over half the game and were a sub down. Plus we have been in a fairly inconsistent and poor run of games. Just accept that sometimes it will work and it worked last night, when we do that then nobody in the comp can live with us, it is our unique selling point.

One more thing I forgot to mention and hasn't really been over discussed on here. Tetavano, red was harsh in my opinion. It was a penalty and border line yellow at the most
I know they are cracking down on late tackles but they are impossible to eradicate due to the nature of the game, please have some discretion and common sense when dealing with them on the pitch.
Watching an NRL game now and just given a yellow for throwing a punch, can't help feeling that you would get 6 games or more here for that

For once he’s absolutely spot on!

Agree shabs, look at Huddersfield and their ‘process’ driven Rugby, it’s boring to watch and it seems not very successful judging by this season.

We are defending OK and we did last night, its the daft errors that ate causing us issues and as shown when we cut them out our brand of RL is great

Fabulous post that

Yep. Every time we win the opposition are apparently appalling and it just goes to prove the game is on its deathbed.

Careful writing off Huddersfield Chris - as you keep saying, there's half the season to go and nothing is won in May....

Im not writing them off I’m saying they’re boring to watch.

Agree with that

Yep, and this is a Huddersfield side in Watson's 3rd year with most of their salary cap dices already rolled. Watson must be so glad he doesn't coach Leeds.

He wont be coaching anyone if they carry on playing like they are.

Yes it was a rather cheap shot and I apologise

Mate, the Aussie fans and media have been really critical of the judiciary for a couple of years now. They're binning every man and his dog for hip drop tackles, contact with the head, and late hits. Tetevano gets a 4 week ban over there for what he did yesterday. I'd be surprised if he doesn't get at least 3 matches, especially given his record.

The problem was the way he launched himself there was no way to pull out or adjust. He had zero control over the impact, which was always dependent on what Smith was doing the second he hit him. Put that sort of hit on a prop who's coming straight at you and it would be a tough play. Not a halfback who's looking to make a play.

It was a good piece and has unsettled me a bit, getting wise life advice from Matthew Shaw. Ouch.

Sorry if I missed it but does anyone know how young Toby Warren is?

Salford's second half display today makes our first half display last night look like our second half display last night.

I like a bit of arrogance. When coupled with skill and talent, it's not a bad thing for the sport. We're in the entertainment business, are we not?

He is 19, Sir Greg.

Yep, he’s great, the fact he winds opposition fans up is an added bonus, nonissue with the celebration or any of that stuff, the one thing he does need to temper is gobbing off at the officials.

Him winding Farrell up last night was great!

At times we are too impatient and try to score off every set. In the 1st half last night we tried some plays that were never on, instead of attempting a repeat set and keeping Wigan under pressure. I appreciate that is not Austins natural game but there are times we need someone to take control of the situation. Sneyd last week and Smith in the 1st half last night kept us pinned down with a class kicking game. Too often we have to kick from our own half but when we do get in the opposition 20 we panick, instead of keeping the pressure on.
Some great stuff in the 2nd half though. That's Wigan, Saints and Catalan beaten this season. On our day we can match it with anyone.

This is why the celebrating 20m out annoys me - it is just the opposite side of the same coin that makes him do and say things to the refs because he can’t understand however incredible he thinks he is, sometimes winding it in will help him achieve more.

He has great potential but hasn’t delivered it on a consistent basis without injury / suspension breaks over the last couple of years.

After 2-3 consistent years scoring / creating 20+ a year and playing most weeks, by all means do those things more - your status allows you a bit more scope for doing so.