Ruined as a spectacle.

Still iconic due to the circumstances and obvious ending.

Remember, it was a different game back then too.

Really good long interview with Agar on youtube today as well.

4 tackles just been introduced, scrum feed dependent on what half you were in (and a "contest" of sorts), and let's not forget, mud. Lots and lots and lots of mud.

Absolutely.

I have slight sympathy with some of their fans as it wasn’t their fault and they’ve not stuck through some horrible times.

But the club itself doesn’t deserve any sympathy.

Like you say I feel far more sympathy for the companies they left out of pocket including other RL clubs who lost income and potential trophies and who had to pay all their players more because of Bradford spending more than they could afford.

Clubs overspending is often only viewed as if it’s only a problem for that club. It’s not. It affects other clubs and the whole sport.

Leeds 2005 campaign was made harder by Bradford’s overspending, not only on the salary cap but versus their own income. If they’d been spending what they could actually afford then maybe Leeds win that 2005 Grand Final instead?

Just watched Leeds v London Bronco's played at Brentford in 1995, we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory !
I quite liked Phil Hassan, but Gibbons twins, Paul Cook,Marvin Golden, oh dear !
Didn't realise ( or remember ) Chris McKenna and Ben Walker played for the Bronco's earlier in their careers

Watching Chris McKenna in these old games, I can't help but think he's exactly the kind of 2nd row he need.

Good player but we are well covered second row. I'd happily take B Mac or Fleary though!

Would be good if the Leeds YouTube channel didn't put up games where we lose to in the last minute to Brian Noble coached serial salary cap cheats. Just saying.

Started watching the 2007 grand final last night. What a performance. Two things made a big difference though..
1) that was first game Long had okays in almost 3 months due to injury. He looked wee bit rusty.
2) where was Sculthorpe? Injured I presume but would have made big Dif too.
The way it played out I think that was the game that handed the mantle over to Leeds as the best team in SL for next 10 years. If Saints win that game, they would probably have gone in to dominate like we did......

I watched it too. Enjoyed playing the traditional 'Where's Leon?'' game

I think I spotted him a couple of times.

Would be interesting to see how many times we were the "bookies" favourite to win a GF. I can't remember as far back as 2004, but we were runaway at the top of the league but Bradford had the pedigree and we didn't. Certainly not in 2007 or 2008. For 2009 we may have been, 2011?, 2012?, 2015?, definitely not in 2017.

Just remembered what Mckennas hilarious Knickmame was amongst the group.
Does anyone know? Very funny!

Yeah strange one as class player....
Didn't get picked in 2011
Saints went with Gaskell and Lomax, instead of Pryce and Eastmond.
Practically handed the game to us with that call.

Just watched ' The Syd Hynes lifestory ' on Youtube, fantastic ! Syd and Shoey were,and still are, my all time favourite Leeds players. Loved going to Cas v Leeds games at Wheldon Road,on the Wallace Arnold coach ,usually night games. Full scale battles every time with Syd and the Cas hooker Dickinson usually in the middle of it !! Happy days !!

How much did Hynes weigh when he played???

I've just watched the 2007 grand final what a performance. I was as excited watching it again as 13 years ago . Weve had some historic tries in our history and Scott Donald's try that night is up there among them

Fantastic achievement to beat that Saints team. +Sculthorpe the best team in SL era imho

We beat them in both league fixtures that season and were only 1 point behind them on the final league table. It wasn't such a surprise for some of us. The score was, but the result not so much.

Yeah but they'd had the big game hoodoo over us untill that point...

Donald's acceleration as he goes past Wellens is superb. Up through gears, leaving Wellens floundering.

I do have to add that Wellens had many gifts and was a great full back, but pace was not his main weapon.

Wellens is probably the slowest full back of the modern era. He was done for pace by Ali over 70m for crying out loud.

If he came through now, I'm not sure where he'd play.

Had they? I don't think we'd played them in a final since the 1980's? It was Wigan who we couldn't get over in a final. They started to believe their own hype (which was considerable) and I think they showed Leeds too little respect - just like the media. It was even worse the following year, and we out played them again.

They were a good side, but I think they were better a few years earlier. Their battles with Bradford were epic. Is "Joynt's voluntary tackle" still going?

The did hammer us in a couple of cup games in 02 and 04 I think, but they've never beaten is in a final, I don't think.

JPS 1988.

Challenge Cup 72.