You forgot Miller our most lethal player last year.

Cas stuffed Hull are we to assume Hull are duffers? I know hull had a really week team out but even so they are hardly having the meltdown you lot are having.

Leeds had a golden era now they are struggling. It happened to SAints and Wigan nothing lasts forever and worse still look at the Bulls - calm down!

I think people who are blaming the halves haven't played 6/7 before, numerous times they caught the ball and literally everybody else was stood still, no one made runs and no one offered themselves out the back.
It doesn't matter how good you are, if your decision is to run it yourself or pass to someone stood still, then the defence will never really be troubled.

I know what you are saying. But my opinion is that our Halves (The Steering Wheel) are steering us into a Wall and it doesn't make for good viewing.

If he and the players have that mentality then why charge £18 to get in?
Either let people in free or make it a £10 charity game or something.

I never mentioned boxing days halves. I was talking about players coming in like McGuire and burrow

Remind what kind of season Hull had last year, then compare that to the one Leeds had, and then try and understand why the appalling display is worrying for many of us.

And Saints and Wigan didn't fall as low as we did within ONE season of winning the treble.

We've had too many of these over the last season, but the coaches & management seem oblivious to it all.

At this point in time it all looks very gloomy over LS6. But it is early days, we didn't put out a strong team and we may look a lot closer to being competitive when the build up to the season is complete.........

But I'm not holding my breath and I think we will have another tough season. For mine the issue is that our succession planning has been P Poor. We had a superb squad, the core of which had played together for a long long time. The management of the decline and replacement of key players in that squad has been nothing short of disastrous. If we had a plan, and I see no significant evidence that we did, it was not sufficiently robust and it has not proved effective thus far. The rapid fall from treble winners to middle 8's is evidence enough to support that assertion.

The big question for me this year was will we make a better fist of strengthening the squad and preparing for the further departure of members of the "golden generation". On current evidence I'm not optimistic. I really hope someone is quoting this back to me in 10 months’ time and ripping the proverbial out of me for being so pessimistic.

That's true it was very poor but that still doesn't mean that the fixture isn't exactly as I described above, just that they didn't execute it.

By now anyway people should it's never the style of McDermott (or GH) to do heavy public criticism in press conferences and leave it to behind closed doors. He said after the season that he knew we had problems way more serious than they thought after the loss to HKR around Easter.....but at the time his public comments were still of staying calm and still thinking we could make the top 4.

Because he and the players don't set the ticket prices. The guy even said last year that he'd prefer not to play on Boxing Day so I'm not going to act all shocked by what he said this year.

Completely agree with this they didn't even have a basic 1 in 1 out the back option it was just going sideways or 1 up the middle.

So what the hell have they been doing in training these past few months? Cutherbertson says fitness training but I didn't see much fitness on display. Wakey carved the defence to pieces...

Read Ablett harping on about systems and tactics that were being worked on. We scored 6 and leaked 30.......

It's how Wakefield scored some of those try's.

Back to the dark days of grasping at air and shirt tails from last year.

Kudos to Wakey, they realised Ablett was MIA, tasted blood in the water and mercilessly went for him. Absolute turnstyle at times.

As for working on tactics? Isn't that what the training ground is for? Looked like total strangers at times.

Sutty running it into touch, wheeling round and eyeballing a bemused Briscoe was classic "Head up the anus" play and he wasn't alone, Leeds stank the place out.

I honestly think there's a little bit of the younger players been overawed sometime by some of the senior players and don't feel able to boss them about etc

They're told to listen to the senior players mate but yea i agree they certainly aren't/were'nt getting "lead" anywhere or given a structure they are comfortable with.

Leeds golden era has gone just like 1970s united time to rebuild get over it

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Might be obvious but didn't the golden era start a group of kids that turned out to be exceptional along with some brilliant signings i.e. big ALI

Judging by his comments in the YEP GH seemed entirely unhappy with the Boxing Day performance. I just don't see how he expects the current team and coaches to turn things around in such a huge way that we can compete to win anything. The defensive highlights from Boxing Day look remarkably similar to the shambles seen so often in 2016.

Doesn't count as it was "nearly" an opposed training run anyway despite previous attempts to talk it up & highlight last years failure as a starting point towards 2016's season of woes.

I don't remember GH in the past being particularly concerned with Boxing Day games. Which is understandable as previously they have literally meant nothing in terms of a guide to the coming year.

What comes across is that this year GH had being hoping to see early signs that things were moving in the right direction, and that the performance vs Wakey was entirely worrying.

He probably isn't concerned with this Boxing Day game either but knows he has to do a bit of PR firefighting because too many grown men have wet themselves over a non comment from McDermott.

My take on the Boxing Day game (i have really left it alone because it isn't normally the be all and end all) is that after such a poor season by Leeds standards that game should have been used, infront of a healthy crowd, as a showcase of the intentions of this season. With it being more of the same clueless dredge, all it has created is more pessimism from the paying fans. I really hope Mac has something fresh up his sleeve being held back and the players come barging out of the gate at Saints on the opening day and look a real team once again, but all signs point to mediocrity and a slog of a season ahead.