Won’t be many making this trip, how many do we normally get? 500-1k?

This will sound harsh. Whilst the break itself was good, it’s what he’s paid to do as one of the leagues premium wingers he should be doing it most weeks, perhaps more than once per game. He made a complete hash of it though, he showed no wingers instinct and has shown before that his passing is questionable. He should back his pace in acres of space against a static fullback.

Let’s put it this way, he’s our best winger, so by comparison do Bevan French, Tommy Makinson, Matty Ashton, Ryan Hall, score form there? I use those examples as they are the best wingers at their clubs.

It’s certainly not suiting him or playing to his natural strengths. He’s a good winger, and there was a big fanfare about Olpherts as a centre (I know that’s a reaction to him being a poor winger) so why not play them in their “preferred” positions?

Handley should only play on the wing. Period.

Bevan French is the only one who definitely scores from that list. Hall and Makinson def don’t by themselves, as not quick enough…..

I'd hope it's be more than that. Hull brought 1500 to Headingley this week.

I would say Ashton is as quick if not quicker than French. I also think Makinson is quick enough to score that try. Ryan Hall not so much. Need to remember Handley was clocked as one of the fastest players in SL last year.

More generally a couple of longer range breaks we couldn’t finish. Close to the Hull line we never looked like scoring. We could still be playing now and we wouldn’t have score any kind of attacking shape try from inside the 20. The lack of direction and quality is shown by the run and turn over plays from Leeming and the late kicks from Austin and Sezer. Awful short range kicking game, lack of structured attacking plays. Either we crash over or we do something off the cuff and hope it might come off.

The dissapointing thing with the Handley chance is that he didn't have go. If Hoy had have got his hands on him he could have looked to pass out of the tackle and leave Austin clear. It could well have gone wrong, but wouldn't have looked so amateurish. While Ash might be the quickest at Leeds I doubt he finishes in the top six in a sprint for fastest in the league. That in itself is a problem.

Big respect to anyone who does go. 5hr round trip for Saints love in and they’ll probably put 50 on us…….

Ash is fast, not sure why leeds fans try to talk down their players constantly.

He made a right porridge of that chance, he should have taken him on but he wont be the first or last winger to do it, even those listed above.

Not trying to talk him down. He is fast and he's a very solid winger. My point was around our general lack of pace. Three clean breaks on Friday but our support players struggle to get in the frame in order to convert into tries. If you hark back to the glory days and put Burrow, McGuire and Webb on the pitch on Friday, we finish those chances. Probably only something that can be fixed by recruitment.

I don`t think Handley gets past the full back as he looks to have it covered.
If he passes to Austin he too is already closed down.
The two biggest errors ironically coming from our best 2 players on the night was Smith not finding one of what 3 Leeds players supporting the break and Macdonald trying to pass when the Hull players were all over him which eventually resulted in the winning try.

Yeah Smith messed that up imo he should have taken the tackle id have hull odds on to make a professional foul holding him down.

He was probably our MOM though and he played most of the game second row. I can see Smith starting him there on Friday if Bentley isn’t fit

We’ll take 500 tops, we never seem to travel to Saints im great numbers - im 50/50 whether to go

Welsby should be out against us, but he won’t

You’ll go. You fly the beacon for us all! We’ll be with you in spirit ….

I didn’t think it was that bad, but if we’re still on the clamp down it should be a couple of games. As you say, it won’t be.

Both feet off the ground clear red card

No prob with no red providing that bar is set consistently.

The problem is it didn’t get a card at all so as you say, bar is set

I’ve just been speaking with a Saints fan who thinks because the penalty try was given instead of a card that Welsby won’t get called up. Reckons he can’t be banned! Some mob then lot

He won’t get called up because there were 5 worse high tackles in that game alone. First contact was on the shoulder, and moves up as Broadbent was falling. It was marginally high and worth a penalty but nothing more. The penalty try was insane given the cover coming over.

Are we really at the point of demanding any penalty Saints concede should be a grade C offence?

He could be called up before the beak. I've no problem if he isn't, as long as that benchmark is applied throughout the season. However, experience would suggest that it won't be. That's where I have a real problem with the MRP.

Consistency is the key. I really don’t think it was more than a penalty…but I also think positions and reputations play into it a bit, if it’s a back row coming across in cover like that and coming up with that tackle I think they get a card and a minimum of 1 game. Likewise if it’s someone like Bentley or Edwards or even Bell or Matautia (Sione or Peter).

I’m not saying anyone is cheating or whatever but I do think there’s some unconscious bias.

Like others have said mate, consistency is what we all want.

I’ve no problem if he’s not banned, but we all know it won’t be the same every week. I am however struggling to remember 5 worse tackles than that one.

He wasn’t falling and wellsby had both feet off the ground and hit him directly on the head.