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| Quote ="tvoc"Was it this bit: '"
At least we now know why Kirke's in the squad. He's aiding McShane's development..... |
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| I can see what McShane said in the article provided, unfortunately I can't see what he didn't say in reference to Buderus or Diskin.
However he did say:
Quote ="McShane"The senior players helped us a lot and the young kids came in and stood up for themselves.'"
Wouldn't Danny Buderus be classed as a senior player? |
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"Lol at you for thinking you've won an argument based on something that someone didn't say'"
Laughing harder at you though.
Mcshane mentions the Hull move as being key as he got first team games, something he couldnt get at Leeds because we'd brought over an overpaid, over the hill hooker to block his path to the first team.
There have been number of comments on here that McShane would benefit from Buderus as Buderus would pass on his vast knowledge. All well and good but patently untrue if McShane was training and playing for Hull. He makes no reference to learning anything from Buderus, preferring to highlight first team games as important ot him. First team games that were being denied him at Leeds.
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It's becoming tiresome having to explain things to those who do not have the thought capacity to think outside the box.'"
It's also pretty tiresome for the rest of us having to listen to your anti-Buderus comments all the time... |
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| Quote ="Beastwood"It's also pretty tiresome for the rest of us having to listen to your anti-Buderus comments all the time...'"
You appear to have me confused with someone who gives a F*** about what anyone thinks.
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Danny Buderus developed my stifle. It was quite enjoyable.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Was it this bit: '"
Was he playing left side, with Senior and Kirke out there too? |
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| Quote ="Richie"Was he playing left side, with Senior and Kirke out there too?'"
At Harlequins McShane was placed where Burrow usually defends, outside the left second row (Kirke) and left centre (Senior) and inside the left wing position (Smith)
McShane was hopelessly lost for Dorn's opener for the Quins and least said about his 'attempt' (I'm being generous describing it as such) on Tony Clubb for Dorn's second the better.
Obviously also taking into account that he was filling in a position he has recently been unaccustomed to at any level let alone 1st grade. |
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| Quote ="tvoc"At Harlequins McShane was placed where Burrow usually defends, outside the left second row (Kirke) and left centre (Senior) and inside the left wing position (Smith)
McShane was hopelessly lost for Dorn's opener for the Quins and least said about his 'attempt' (I'm being generous describing it as such) on Tony Clubb for Dorn's second the better.
Obviously also taking into account that he was filling in a position he has recently been unaccustomed to at any level let alone 1st grade.'"
That at least tells us why he specifically referred to Senior and Kirke then. |
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Quote ="Era of the Biff"Laughing harder at you though.
Mcshane mentions the Hull move as being key as he got first team games, something he couldnt get at Leeds because we'd brought over an overpaid, over the hill hooker to block his path to the first team.
There have been number of comments on here that McShane would benefit from Buderus as Buderus would pass on his vast knowledge. All well and good but patently untrue if McShane was training and playing for Hull. He makes no reference to learning anything from Buderus, preferring to highlight first team games as important ot him. First team games that were being denied him at Leeds.
It's becoming tiresome having to explain things to those who do not have the thought capacity to think outside the box.'"
I personally think that the primary reason for bringing in Buderus was that we wanted to play a 2 hooker system, and Buderus was the best person to be able to fill that need. He was and still is a bloody good hooker. Without the direct question being asked of Paul, I'm not sure anyone is in a position to know how much he has learnt from Buderus (or indeed Diskin or Berrigan), and I doubt if
I personally don't think its reasonable to say that Buderus has been responsible for blocking his route to first team football, as he hadn't made his debut when we signed DB, and spent most of the season injured last year after being in the reckoning for the first team at the start of the year.
So this year he has been restricted to 3 appearances at Leeds, with a good few games under his belt at Hull, I'd say he has missed out on maybe 10 games this season. Hardly being held back now is it?
I think the club are in a much better position to know how ready a player is for SL intensity week in week out, and I'm happy that they follow the tried and tested pattern that has developed so many talented British youngsters.
by the way, I'm still waiting for a response to my question as to why you think Buderus weakens us on the pitch?
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Quote ="Era of the Biff"Laughing harder at you though.
Mcshane mentions the Hull move as being key as he got first team games, something he couldnt get at Leeds because we'd brought over an overpaid, over the hill hooker to block his path to the first team.
There have been number of comments on here that McShane would benefit from Buderus as Buderus would pass on his vast knowledge. All well and good but patently untrue if McShane was training and playing for Hull. He makes no reference to learning anything from Buderus, preferring to highlight first team games as important ot him. First team games that were being denied him at Leeds.
It's becoming tiresome having to explain things to those who do not have the thought capacity to think outside the box.'"
I personally think that the primary reason for bringing in Buderus was that we wanted to play a 2 hooker system, and Buderus was the best person to be able to fill that need. He was and still is a bloody good hooker. Without the direct question being asked of Paul, I'm not sure anyone is in a position to know how much he has learnt from Buderus (or indeed Diskin or Berrigan), and I doubt if
I personally don't think its reasonable to say that Buderus has been responsible for blocking his route to first team football, as he hadn't made his debut when we signed DB, and spent most of the season injured last year after being in the reckoning for the first team at the start of the year.
So this year he has been restricted to 3 appearances at Leeds, with a good few games under his belt at Hull, I'd say he has missed out on maybe 10 games this season. Hardly being held back now is it?
I think the club are in a much better position to know how ready a player is for SL intensity week in week out, and I'm happy that they follow the tried and tested pattern that has developed so many talented British youngsters.
by the way, I'm still waiting for a response to my question as to why you think Buderus weakens us on the pitch?
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I've already made my feelings known many times. I do not have time nor the inclination to repeat them again.
Feel free to spend your own time looking for them though. |
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Quote It was great to get that first-team action every week. It benefited me a lot and I thought that showed on Saturday, the experience really helped.'"
McShane has been utilised in SL first team rugby the past two seasons. Is it unreasonable to hypothesize that had we not signed Buderus Mclennan could've still used his 2 hooker system, McShane would be further along in his development, the club will have saved an awful lot of £££ and, perhaps most importantly, the club could've used the quota space being taken by Buderus and strengthened elsewhere.
Buderus contributed virtually nothing last year and we did not miss him at all after his injury. He's been up and down this season. I am astonished at how star struck some of our fans are with him. |
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| Quote ="G1"I am astonished at how star struck some of our fans are with him.'"
Are you really G? I'm not. |
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McShane has been utilised in SL first team rugby the past two seasons. Is it unreasonable to hypothesize that had we not signed Buderus Mclennan could've still used his 2 hooker system, McShane would be further along in his development, the club will have saved an awful lot of £££ and, perhaps most importantly, the club could've used the quota space being taken by Buderus and strengthened elsewhere.
Buderus contributed virtually nothing last year and we did not miss him at all after his injury. He's been up and down this season. I am astonished at how star struck some of our fans are with him.'"
You think some are biased towards Buderus. Others might say you're biased against him.
Buderus' class cannot be denied.
However you might be right in your analysis with regards to McShane....so why do [iyou[/i think the club actually signed him ?? Be honest. |
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Quote ="G1"the club will have saved an awful lot of £££ and, perhaps most importantly, the club could've used the quota space being taken by Buderus and strengthened elsewhere.'"
The quota was set at 8 for the 2009 season www.superleague.co.uk/page.php?id=346. Leeds, including Buderus and Eastwood, had a total of 6 overseas trained (and I presume a number of those would have been candidates to be removed from the 'quota' should the players involved wished to do so.)
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The quota was set at 8 for the 2009 season www.superleague.co.uk/page.php?id=346. Leeds, including Buderus and Eastwood, had a total of 6 overseas trained (and I presume a number of those would have been candidates to be removed from the 'quota' should the players involved wished to do so.)
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Where did Buderus' signing put pressure on Leeds' recruitment in relation to the existing quota spots available?'"
Erm, because he took up a quota spot. |
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| Quote ="G1" He's been up and down this season. I am astonished at how star struck some of our fans are with him.'"
These are the same fans who dont see the true value of Bailey, Ablett etc.... |
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| Quote ="Lawrie L"These are the same fans who dont see the true value of Bailey, Ablett etc....'"
I'm sure you can't have failed to notice how the poster you're replying to has just suggested Leeds perhaps should have used the quota space taken by Buderus to sign (presumably) another quota player.
Quote ="G1"Erm, because he took up a quota spot.'"
Where was there any pressure on Leeds not allocating one of the number of available quota places to Buderus?
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"You think some are biased towards Buderus. Others might say you're biased against him. '"
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McShane has been utilised in SL first team rugby the past two seasons. Is it unreasonable to hypothesize that had we not signed Buderus Mclennan could've still used his 2 hooker system, McShane would be further along in his development, the club will have saved an awful lot of £££ and, perhaps most importantly, the club could've used the quota space being taken by Buderus and strengthened elsewhere.'"
It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that we probably would have gone out and bought somebody else to have played hooker instead. Considering the club made the statement at the time of saying we wanted two first choice hookers, and that McShane wasn't ready at that time.
But I don't think that fits the agenda does it.
Quote ="G1"Buderus contributed virtually nothing last year'"
That would be in your opinion though Gareth, yours and the poor troll.
But to most posters who don't go with an agenda he won at least 4 matches for us last season, matches we would not have won without his influence. Could have mage a huge difference in finishing top of league or not. |
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Which ones were they then Snizey wizey? |
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McShane has been utilised in SL first team rugby the past two seasons. Is it unreasonable to hypothesize that had we not signed Buderus Mclennan could've still used his 2 hooker system, McShane would be further along in his development, the club will have saved an awful lot of £££ and, perhaps most importantly, the club could've used the quota space being taken by Buderus and strengthened elsewhere.
Buderus contributed virtually nothing last year and we did not miss him at all after his injury. He's been up and down this season. I am astonished at how star struck some of our fans are with him.'"
McShane was injured for much of last season, something you can't really hold against DB, or those who signed/played him.
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