It's one game, against a good side, at theirs, not the end of the world. Of more concern to me is that we looked second best in most areas. All the worries about our ageing players were brought into sharp focus tonight. It wasn't a comprehensively poor performance, but it was one to raise the concern that we might struggle against teams who are strong in the forwards.

To be honest I'm not too disappointed. We defended well for the most part and it was stupid penalties and errors which gifted them their points.
Worryingly Sinfield looks lost in the halves and and our last tackle plays and organisation continue to be a shambles. Burrow (who was poor in general) was the only pivot whom seemed capable of executing anything approaching a decent kick.
As mentioned above, Aiton has to play for the full 80, we look so much more threatening with him on and he brings the forwards on to the ball in a way Burrow simply doesn't. I thought he was our best player tonight, and out shone the much loved Clark quite comfortably.

Going into next week BM has some decisions to make. I know there's almost no chance Sinfield won't play but his form must be a concern, and Sutcliffe and McGuire looked very good in the the pre season games they played.
Will Ablett play at centre against Wigan, or will BM give Handley a game and push Briscoe to centre?
I also hope Achurch is fit again next week as I thought we missed his impact off the bench.

Overall we weren't good enough but we were OK in our defense, and Warrington weren't that much better than us on the night, a couple of 50/50s go the other way and it would've probably been a draw, but perhaps that would've been more than we deserved.

Thought we moved the ball quite well early on but lost our way and Warrington were deserved winners. We are not far off and i don't share the doom and gloom that gets posted on here.
2 wins from our next 3 would put us in a decent position with a 3rd of the season gone.

Isn't it 5 days break for concussion? If that's what Moon had?



Yep, a couple of 50/50s reversed and the score could've been very, very different.

Singleton looks great for you guys.... he had another good game... every other one of your forwards was found wanting in the physical battle tonight though.

No doubting your back line is brilliant.. but when your pack is beat up like it was tonight, not alot they can do.

You know exactly what the last sentence was about - even you have admitted you have overlooked Sinfield's shortcomings in the past

Mcguire was ineffective didn't see him giving a try away right in front of his posts but as you say you see Sinfield's performances through rose tinted glasses

The forwards looked alright when Aiton was on at DH and our defense was a lot more physical.

Warrington weren't great which is the most disappointing aspect of it for me. Westwood and Philbin, were outstanding, and Russell worked hard, but the rest were no more than solid.

i thought simms and laithwaite (a few errors near the end apart) went well... westwood, as you say, was outstanding though.

The worrying thing is we never really looked like we could build any pressure - not one player could hold his head up and say he had a good game.

Cuthbertson showed why Newcastle let him go.

Got to agree with MD there.
Forwards totally outplayed and it didn't help when Ablett moved to centre.
Sinfield, McGuire and Burrow were absolute gash.
No idea why he took Aiton off so early in the game.
Burrow played his usual predictable ineffective game.
Sutcliffe and McGuire for me next week with Sinfield on the bench for Burrow
Golding did fine for his first game but is no Hardaker yet.
Cuthbertson, Singleton and Ward were ok.
JP,Kylie and JJB poor to ineffective.
Full credit to Warrington who muscled up well and even made O,Brien look good.
Not sure why Singleton's try was disallowed.
But Warrington fully deserved their win without doubt.
At least we have an easy game next Friday

so sinfields not been performing..peacock not the player he once was and mcguire was bilge..nowt down for you lot..and if you get bentone not doing you any favours (remember last years cup semi ) in future games..then you wont get any where near the top 4....get a grip..your a top club with top players and a top coach,,its your 1st defeat and your still 2nd

I think Cuthbertson looks a fine addition. We have been crying out for a offloading forward

Achurch is out for 3/4 weeks

Classic Achurch.

Look on the positives, next week you play us (Wigan) and we are dreadful

Yep. Plenty of work rate from him too. Thought he was one of our better forwards tonight.

I don't think we were quite as massively outplayed in the forwards as some people are suggesting in here. If we had we've been beaten by a lot more.

We just need to have a bit more patience and composure in the first half. We need to straighten up and be a bit more direct. When we do we then create the gaps outwide that the likes of Watkins can take advantage. But in both the Hull game and tonight we wanted to go wide/pass our way to a score straight away.

I'd start Singo and cuthbo at prop next week and bring Kylie and peacock off the bench.

Tonight I thought we defended well, but some of our basic passing was poor both abbo and delaney throwing passes around the ankles in good field position, none existent kicking game except a couple of burrow kicking, and you know your not at it as a team when our best bomb came from cuthbertson!

On a positive note Golding had a decent debut, obviously a bit early for him but he didn't let anyone down, also thought ward, Singo, and jjb put real shifts in.

Agreed. I think because a lot of people made up their minds long ago that our pack wasn't up to much (which is very overstated IMO) that it makes them assume that we got smashed when the truth is had Westwood been on the opposite team we'd have probably won. When he plays like that he shows why England missed him so much in the 4N last year.

No, you're wrong. We're doomed!!! Season over!!!

Classic Southstander.

Singleton has to start next week.

Apart from the silly kick(i did say he wasn't great in attack) anyone change their opinion on Laithwaite?

I agree our patience is our biggest weakness....which is disappointing given the experience in our team. Nothing worrying about our lost tonight and that Wire fans are celebrating that as a great success speaks volumes.

We lost because the Wolves defended outstandingly well, but we controlled their attack pretty well too.
Stupid penalty from JJB, rank defence not playing to the whistle for the Penny try, ridiculous, unnecessary offload from Sinfield for the Atkins try. I just wish that if it had to be scored it was anybody else but him. I detest him.
I do think though that the Hardaker farrago will have had an upsetting influence on the team.
Golding dealt with the high kicks generally very effectively, but would Hardaker have been caught out of position for the Ratchford try? Dubious though it may have been had the position been reversed I'd have been very disappointed for it not to have been given.
Finally, for the Penny try possibly Hardaker would have been quick enough & strong enough to hold him up over the line?
But that's all ifs, buts & maybes, if we continue to defend overall like tonight we'll win more than we lose & we scored a fabulous team try.

Some of the calls tonight were garbage however they were matched by some of our individual performances

Can tell the players who we have seen the 'best of' quite clearly

I'm still a little perplexed why we weren't awarded the first try when Moon touched down from Hall's flick back - I thought that Bentham choosing not to go to the VR was strange when the contest for the ball was so unclear - but that was just the first in a game full of decisions that I though we got the raw end of. With that, the Singo 'No Try' call (that looked a more comfortable try to me than either of Wire's first two which strangely went upstairs with 'Try' attached), the scrum award to Wire on their own line when Hall went into touch because apparently Wire can somehow manage to get Ablett's pass back to him and get it to move backwards - excellent toying with the laws of physics, and Singo being penalised for a great pass out of the tackle. Tries aside I thought the game was incredibly even, and with the refereeing errors corrected and/or the 50/50's going the other way - as they easily could have - we'd be looking at at least a draw. Disappointed with us, not massively impressed with Warrington who were good without ever being great, thought Bentham was dreadful.

-Edit- Just to add Golding being declared in touch, another moment when Leeds pressure was alleviated by a, shall we say 'questionable' call.