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| Quote ="Gotcha"At scrum half. That is differnet to your context. I also said at the weekend that I wanted to buy an expensive watch, I didn't however say it a couple of years ago.
Like I said, the fact that you are unable to name them proves my point that you only know about something when it hits the headlines, hence the Gale one. I bet when he was in his Bradford days, which incidentally I always argued with Bradford fans he was quality when they kept saying he wasn't, you wouldn't have taken him at all. Gareth Moore is still he best potential halfback I have seen at Leeds since McGuire started, but he wasn't given anything close to the opportunites Sutcliffe is getting now, and as a result slipped away down a none full time path. Others go the same way, as their focus goes. That doesn't mean they couldn't have made it, it means they were not give the opportunity and therefore gave it up.
Yet the sky team were declarying him man of steel in his first full season, with his try assists and try's far exceeding Sutcliffe last season. I suggest maybe you just didn't realise because you didn't see the potential in him that the sky team did. Just like others do not see the potential in Sutcliffe that you believe now. Like I said, personal opinion.'"
Do me a favour before you post again.
Go to Wigan's board and look a the comments about George Williams from about a year a go after they got knocked out of the CC by Hull KR, many were claiming he wasn't good enough or wast ready and that they should sign someone.
Then look at recent comments where they claim they have no creativity with him out of the team.
Sutcliffe was further ahead in his development than Williams before his injury.
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| Quote ="leedsnsouths"Do me a favour before you post again.
Go to Wigan's board and look a the comments about George Williams from about a year a go after they got knocked out of the CC by Hull KR, many were claiming he wasn't good enough or wast ready and that they should sign someone.
Then look at recent comments where they claim they have no creativity with him out of the team.
Sutcliffe was further ahead in his development than Williams before his injury.'"
To be honest mate, what Wigan and their fans put has no interest to me. What I do know is that Williams is absolutely class, and was a million miles ahead of Sutcliffe this time last year, regardless of what you ended with.
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| Gotcha, Williams may well be ahead of Sutcliffe right now but there is no way you can claim he was a million miles ahead this time last year.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Gotcha, Williams may well be ahead of Sutcliffe right now but there is no way you can claim he was a million miles ahead this time last year.'"
I just did mate. I was way ahead.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I just did mate. I was way ahead.'"
well you was wrong, imo of course
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"well you was wrong, imo of course
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Of course Wish I could be proved wrong now also, so we are not wasting time, would love nothing more, but not going to happen.
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| At scrum half. That is differnet to your context. I also said at the weekend that I wanted to buy an expensive watch, I didn't however say it a couple of years ago.
Quote ="Ronzy":3no0bz5oIf we produced decent half backs, you name them then? I've told you we produced one (Luke Gale) and he has proven his quality (another fact).'" :3no0bz5o
Like I said, the fact that you are unable to name them proves my point that you only know about something when it hits the headlines, hence the Gale one. I bet when he was in his Bradford days, which incidentally I always argued with Bradford fans he was quality when they kept saying he wasn't, you wouldn't have taken him at all. Gareth Moore is still he best potential halfback I have seen at Leeds since McGuire started, but he wasn't given anything close to the opportunites Sutcliffe is getting now, and as a result slipped away down a none full time path. Others go the same way, as their focus goes. That doesn't mean they couldn't have made it, it means they were not give the opportunity and therefore gave it up.
Quote ="Ronzy":3no0bz5oI never saw anything of Gaskell to suggest that he could barge his way through a gap. With over four years on Sutcliffe, he still only now of comparable weight. He certainly was not that size in 2011.'"
You said sweet FA about Burrow a scrum half, your statement was that he offered nothing to the team. We've gone from BS to straight mistruths now.
Gareth Moore, what the same Gareth Moor, who I watched play for Batley? From the one game I saw him play (well part game IIRC) he looked to lack more than a yard of pace. The fact that he has stayed in the game and gone nowhere since (is he at Feath still?) suggests that he would not have cut it at the top level. By the way, that is one more, you suggested there were three or four. More horse guano.
Who gives a fig what the Sky team think? With the exception of Carney and Wells, nearly everything said by the Sky team is hyperbole. Gaskell was nowhere near Sutcliffe physically at the time he was playing for Saints and you know it. The Sky team were raving about Sutcliffe last year but that doesn't suit your argument.
As for Williams, don't make me laugh. He has all the physical attributes but, as things stand, he can't pass or pick a pass to save his life. He may learn those skills and like Sutcliffe, I hope he does. One thing is for sure, neither of them should be thrown on the scrap heap in the forseeable future.
Right off to work...
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| Quote ="Ronzy"
Who gives a fig what the Sky team think? With the exception of Carney and Wells, nearly everything said by the Sky team is hyperbole. Gaskell was nowhere near Sutcliffe physically at the time he was playing for Saints and you know it. The Sky team were raving about Sutcliffe last year but that doesn't suit your argument...'"
You do talk a lot of rubbish, so I will just pick up this bit to highlight the point. Just looked through the Saints archives and Gaskell in 2012 was 6ft 3 inch, and 14st 12. Sutcliffe is currently 6ft and 14st 13. Both debuted at same age, both utility players who prodominently played in the halfs, both average goal kickers. Yeah sure your right, numpty.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Quote ="Ronzy"
Who gives a fig what the Sky team think? With the exception of Carney and Wells, nearly everything said by the Sky team is hyperbole. Gaskell was nowhere near Sutcliffe physically at the time he was playing for Saints and you know it. The Sky team were raving about Sutcliffe last year but that doesn't suit your argument...'"
You do talk a lot of rubbish, so I will just pick up this bit to highlight the point. Just looked through the Saints archives and Gaskell in 2012 was 6ft 3 inch, and 14st 12. Sutcliffe is currently 6ft and 14st 13. Both debuted at same age, both utility players who prodominently played in the halfs, both average goal kickers. Yeah sure your right, numpty.'"
Nice try. I weigh 15 and half stone but I'd like to bet I'm carrying half Sutcliffe's muscle mass.
I notice that you've given up protesting your innocence on Burrow and the preposterous suggestion that Leeds have produced 3 or 4 half backs more worthy than Sutcliffe in the recent past. You managed one.........Gareth Moore
I am tempted to respond to your personal insults by calling you a doylem but I think I'll maintain the moral high ground. Anyway, it is obvious for all to see.
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| Quote ="Ronzy"Nice try. I weigh 15 and half stone but I'd like to bet I'm carrying half Sutcliffe's muscle mass.'"
That would be because you are female, not a Rugby League player like the two players mentioned. Comparing yourself to a rugby player is ludicrous.
Quote ="Ronzy"I notice that you've given up protesting your innocence on Burrow and the preposterous suggestion that Leeds have produced 3 or 4 half backs more worthy than Sutcliffe in the recent past. You managed one.........Gareth Moore
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I haven't given up anything. As I said you talked a lot of poop, so I just thought what is the point. The fact you know very little of players is simply your problem not mine.
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You can hardly maintain a moral high ground, when you simply have to look over two pages to see who was the one with the insults. That is you by the way, just to make it simpler for you.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"That would be because you are female, not a Rugby League player like the two players mentioned. Comparing yourself to a rugby player is ludicrous.
I haven't given up anything. As I said you talked a lot of poop, so I just thought what is the point. The fact you know very little of players is simply your problem not mine.
You can hardly maintain a moral high ground, when you simply have to look over two pages to see who was the one with the insults. That is you by the way, just to make it simpler for you.'"
Ok, I'll give you a chance to prove your point:
Other than Gareth Moore, name the other three or four potential half backs that Leeds have let go. While your at it, drag up the thread from last year where you qualified your position on Burrow by suggesting he was merely inadequate at half back.
I'll come back next year....................However, it may take you a little longer.
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| And another thing, having just checked, somewhat surprisingly for me, there were no personal insults in my previous posts on the matter.
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| Quote ="Ronzy"Ok, I'll give you a chance to prove your point:
Other than Gareth Moore, name the other three or four potential half backs that Leeds have let go. While your at it, drag up the thread from last year where you qualified your position on Burrow by suggesting he was merely inadequate at half back.
I'll come back next year....................However, it may take you a little longer.'"
No dear, how about you try and prove your point, as your the one throwing it around.
And as if to highlight exactly why you can't, you only have to go back to page 14 of this thread to see what I put
Quote ="Gotcha"We have had two or three half backs over the last decade who looked miles better than Sutcliffe, they were sent packing. Do the club regret it? I can't recall seeing your posts of not to write them off.'"
Now in very few pages later you are harping on about extra half backs. Like I have intimated many times, do you actually read posts?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Quote ="Ronzy"Ok, I'll give you a chance to prove your point:
Other than Gareth Moore, name the other three or four potential half backs that Leeds have let go. While your at it, drag up the thread from last year where you qualified your position on Burrow by suggesting he was merely inadequate at half back.
I'll come back next year....................However, it may take you a little longer.'"
No dear, how about you try and prove your point, as your the one throwing it around.
And as if to highlight exactly why you can't, you only have to go back to page 14 of this thread to see what I put
Quote ="Gotcha"We have had two or three half backs over the last decade who looked miles better than Sutcliffe, they were sent packing. Do the club regret it? I can't recall seeing your posts of not to write them off.'"
Now in very few pages later you are harping on about extra half backs. Like I have intimated many times, do you actually read posts?'"
I've got it now, you're a retarded version of Michael Winner.
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| Quote ="Ronzy"I've got it now, you're a retarded version of Michael Winner.
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So your shown as wrong, and still come on declaring rubbish? Are you a Tory MP by any chance Mrs?
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| Quote ="Ronzy"I've got it now, you're a retarded version of Michael Winner.
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Ronzy you are wasting your time. Gotcha often writes something and then when it's picked up on he point blank denies he wrote it even when you paste the exact quote he said it which proves it. I picked him up on his Burrow quote last year and he denied saying what he said even though it was their in black and white.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Ronzy you are wasting your time. Gotcha often writes something and then when it's picked up on he point blank denies he wrote it even when you paste the exact quote he said it which proves it. I picked him up on his Burrow quote last year and he denied saying what he said even though it was their in black and white.'"
Well if you look you will see it is me that has quoted, not her, which is not what she is saying. Kind of show you up a bit again there darling. See you still can't be bothered attending them matches?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Well if you look you will see it is me that has quoted, not her, which is not what she is saying. Kind of show you up a bit again there darling. See you still can't be bothered attending them matches?'"
What makes you think I didn't attend....sorry to disappoint you but i did.
As for your argument with Ronzy, we've seen it and you're dancing around the questions asked of you and doing your usual trick of saying darling (or some other belittling word) when you've been put on a spot you can't get out with by a sensible honest response.
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| Flogging a dead horse is one thing., beating the out of those with obvious learning difficulties is a step too far! My work here is done.
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| Quote ="Ronzy"Flogging a dead horse is one thing., beating the poop out of those with obvious learning difficulties is a step too far! My work here is done.'"
You couldn't beat your way out of a paper bag Mrs. My quote is over the page, read it out aloud, and have the balls to repeat it, I dare you. Then you may realise you got yourself in a tiss incorrectly.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"What makes you think I didn't attend....sorry to disappoint you but i did.
As for your argument with Ronzy, we've seen it and you're dancing around the questions asked of you and doing your usual trick of saying darling (or some other belittling word) when you've been put on a spot you can't get out with by a sensible honest response.'"
Go on then, what did I say? Let's see if you read it. I am quite happy to admit if I was wrong, but as usual it would seem I am correct. And give over with trying to make out you went for once,
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Go on then, what did I say? Let's see if you read it. I am quite happy to admit if I was wrong, but as usual it would seem I am correct. And give over with trying to make out you went for once,'"
Like I said before I did go to the game, sorry to disappoint you.
Please tell us how you think i didn't go.....did a Leeds or Hudds coach tell you so in one of your private fantasy conversations after they'd finished telling you who we are signing/selling, what our tactics are, and the contract details of players?
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Like I said before I did go to the game, sorry to disappoint you.
Please tell us how you think i didn't go.....did a Leeds or Hudds coach tell you so in one of your private fantasy conversations after they'd finished telling you who we are signing/selling, what our tactics are, and the contract details of players?'"
Still can't answer the question that you jumped in on then?
Did you hear that one on the radio to come out with that? Tell us which area you live again?
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| Somebody should lock this page....it is rather tedious to see contributors state 'this is my final post on the matter' but then persist in continuing the spat.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Still can't answer the question that you jumped in on then?
Did you hear that one on the radio to come out with that? Tell us which area you live again?'"
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