Your point about blowout score is a good one, look at the scorelines since the restart, there will be a lot of teams on the end of high scores because of the rule changes

Exactly the same was said about Isn Kirke, Daryl Griffin and many others.

We were in a mess but one walloping from an in form Saints team doesn’t mean we aren’t making progress

To be fair we are punching well above our weight on the ladder. We will never challenge for honours or match top sides like Saints when they are on it with Agar in charge. i have no agenda or hatred towards the guy just he isn't good enough for our club, nowhere near imo, but it is what it is and i will sit back and watch it play out i don't expect much during his era so beatings like this are going to be a meh for me till he goes.

And they were both crap too, but it was easier to carry them two in otherwise good sides.

We’re in a mess after being asleep at the wheel on squad quality for years, and I think everyone understands that takes a couple of years to fix, but the lack of effort and smarts shown by so many of this current squad is really telling.

The rotten culture isn’t completely rooted out yet.

Do people understand it will take time? Reading this forum im not so sure.

I'm not alluding to anything but you know when a team is just in a bad patch of form to when a team has so much that's fundamentally wrong. I hope I'm wrong but I dont see that being turned around very quickly.

"We're not as good as we thought we were in our best weeks, we're not as bad as we think we are in our worst weeks" - Brian McDermott

Lots of typical southstander tery on here tonight, some people have been literally unseen on here since the Hull game.
Underneath, Leeds are where we thought they were: upper mid-table, they'll win more than they lose but most of the time they won't be able to beat the best teams, even with a full strength team.

I wish Donaldson had been playing tonight , he would have improved the defence in the middle of the park.
A terrible performance tonight, although Saints were excellent.
If there was any positives it was good to see Leeming get plenty of minutes, I thought he went well on the whole.

This totally

Disappointing game, really poor performance obviously. Feel like some overreact a little on here, to be clear that saints team was red hot, they would have taken any other team in SL apart playing like that.
We looked really disjointed in attack, I think a lot of that came from both the lack of power up front and handley at FB.
We don’t have huge amounts of quality or experience so when you take out a couple of players it does have an impact.
Couple of points I picked up on - Prior isn’t a top level prop, he is more of a 13 and when he is asked to play front row against quality he gives away pens a fair bit.
Handley shouldn’t cover full back, if walker and myler are out I’d rather play a young specialist full back there.
We shouldn’t ever pick a back on the bench, I would rather we had to play Mellor, Martin in the centre if we get an injury and loaded up with props/back row.

So overall very disappointing, really poor discipline, effort and control of the ruck. We are making progress, we have a couple of injuries, our squad isn’t big enough and the young lads aren’t there yet. I don’t think agar is what we need long term but I would say overall he has improved the attitude and team spirit, interesting to see how we bounce back from that kind of performance, if we play badly again next week then alarm bells should be ringing.

It isn't a sack Agar or anything like that. It is a re-evaluation of where we are - not the best - not the worst but definitely not competitors.

Leeds did well to re-balance the team after Furner.

But....I'm not sure about one or two of our star players....Prior underwhelming, Lui fat, Hurrell fat (and a turnover fest).

If you're a professional sportsman and you are unfit - get out of Leeds.

Sir Kev will sort it!

Definitely Christopher. It’s happened several times in the NRL which is usually unheard of

Good post. Agree with a lot of that

Only positive was the take on the full from short drop out that got us up to halfway. I'm sick off seeing players making injuries worse by staying on; especially this early in the season... in a blow out loss. It's not like football where you can't put them back on again. Stupidity!

If anyone thought we are anywhere near Saints stamdard they are deluded about this team. Nobody in SL really is when Saints are on their game.

Were capable of competing most weeks. Thats where we are at. We are a better team than we showed tonight but ultimately weve too many players not good enough to challenge for trophies at this stage.

Some players under performed massively tonight, discipline was poor early on and physically we was dominated by the best team in the league. We need to be at our maximum to give them a game.

Theres no need to over react or panic but we need a response now.

We was going ok before tonight but were not where we need to be at the moment.

Thought Cam Smith worked overtime to end on probsbly the only high tonight.

We had the same problem when we started signing players like Jack Owens and Matty Dawson etc..

Think that’s a good summary, I thought Smith was easily our best too.

Will be interesting game next week, I actually think Wigan will go well this year, I think they've got a very capable squad

Everyone takes a beating at some point,its part of growing up.We could talk all day and all night about what went wrong but for me this shows once again that we need genuine size and quality in the middle.Very disappointed not to see holroyd also.

I envy the optimists in many ways and do hope the team can compete at the levels you have faith in them to do over the course of the season as a whole so as to show significant progression from those that went before it recently. I think though that'll itll provide more questions than answers.

Saints are really not that good! We were just miles off tonight. We clearly need 2 or 3 quality players to compete with Saints and probably Wigan too.
Not gonna happen this season though is it.....

I dont think I'm massively optimistic I just dont think the the standard of super league is that good.look to bring in a quality forward,give some kids a chance (especially holroyd) and I think we are set up well for next year.

We were exposed big time tonight , lack of quality ,lack of Coaching nous & highlighted how far off we are.

Agree totally, think Konnie masks the weaknesses of our Props. If your going to use a quota spot why waste it on Prior? Keep Agar but either bring in a quality assistant or quality Coach and put Agar back to his old job.