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tvoc - Can I ask a simple question, as somebody who clearly doesn't check the stats in detail (with casual interest, if at all), to save me looking, since you clearly have the answer at your fingertips?
How are the 2012 stats more incomplete than the 2013 stats? What is/isn't included in the 2 datasets that makes them incomparable?
Not that I wouldn't always take such stats without a large pinch of salt, and not that I see their value in the context this little debate started, but I am much more curious about the statistical inconsistency than I am about what people are trying to infer from the numbers. I don't think I'm alone.
If I'm being dim, please humour me.
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So in conclusion, whilst I made a mistake, so did tvoc with some of what he said.
However I didn't say I'd leave like tvoc would if he made errors.
It's clear he isn't a "man of his word."
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If people want to re-visit page 5 - what I said and why I said it will still be there for all to see.
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Nothing I said back then will alter that these remain =#FF0000your stats and contain (by your own admission) mis-leading comparisons due to your involvement -
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=563946&tsmp=1392209273&start=32
and here -
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Quote ="ThePrinter"I do look at stats in detail, here's some taking into account =#FF0000a massive factor of amount of games played.'"
I agree that would be a significant variable that you would need to take into account for comparison purposes. Unfortunately it's not one you always pay enough attention to as witnessed here when you posted -
Quote ="ThePrinter"We made more metres last year than we have since 2005'"
But not the case when you make the like for like comparison. It's noticeable how many of the more recent year's figures are remarkably close - at least they are according to Opta - but then dramatically jump up in total in 2013 ...... it's almost as if the data-set changed last year - making like for like comparisons difficult to achieve without making the necessary adjustments. But I'm sure I don't need to keep pointing this out, afterall you recognised the massive part this would play.
Quote ="ThePrinter"but check the stats I've posted. '"
You've since had to acknowledge that you mangled them - not me nor anyone else just you.
Quote ="ThePrinter"yep I got some numbers wrong.'"
Quote ="ThePrinter"Despite yourself claiming I'd "rubbished" tvoc's statement (please show where btw) I never not once didn't ACCEPT he was correct. '"
So you've accepted I was correct to call you out over them and -
Quote ="ThePrinter"I've not had any problem that he found a problem with my stats. If someone spots a flaw with them by all means do tell so we don't get incorrect results '"
I couldn't agree more that it's important for stats to be accurately reported for them to be of any significance so I was not surprised to hear that -
Quote ="ThePrinter"Sure you can have an apology and a list of corrected stats'"
but oddly they have still to appear. Why is that? And the answer doesn't involve any input required from me first - that's a red-herring, a nonsense given they are your stats and you've recognised the flaw you introduced. Not sure if you've let everyone else in to the closely guarded secret yet - perhaps you have and I missed it.
The onus remains on you to come up with the corrected figures and continually failing to do so appears 'strange/questionable' given how long you have had since being made aware of the problem =#FF0000you introduced. |
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If people want to re-visit page 5 - what I said and why I said it will still be there for all to see.
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Nothing I said back then will alter that these remain =#FF0000your stats and contain (by your own admission) mis-leading comparisons due to your involvement -
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=563946&tsmp=1392209273&start=32
and here -
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=563946&tsmp=1392209273&start=34
Quote ="ThePrinter"I do look at stats in detail, here's some taking into account =#FF0000a massive factor of amount of games played.'"
I agree that would be a significant variable that you would need to take into account for comparison purposes. Unfortunately it's not one you always pay enough attention to as witnessed here when you posted -
Quote ="ThePrinter"We made more metres last year than we have since 2005'"
But not the case when you make the like for like comparison. It's noticeable how many of the more recent year's figures are remarkably close - at least they are according to Opta - but then dramatically jump up in total in 2013 ...... it's almost as if the data-set changed last year - making like for like comparisons difficult to achieve without making the necessary adjustments. But I'm sure I don't need to keep pointing this out, afterall you recognised the massive part this would play.
Quote ="ThePrinter"but check the stats I've posted. '"
You've since had to acknowledge that you mangled them - not me nor anyone else just you.
Quote ="ThePrinter"yep I got some numbers wrong.'"
Quote ="ThePrinter"Despite yourself claiming I'd "rubbished" tvoc's statement (please show where btw) I never not once didn't ACCEPT he was correct. '"
So you've accepted I was correct to call you out over them and -
Quote ="ThePrinter"I've not had any problem that he found a problem with my stats. If someone spots a flaw with them by all means do tell so we don't get incorrect results '"
I couldn't agree more that it's important for stats to be accurately reported for them to be of any significance so I was not surprised to hear that -
Quote ="ThePrinter"Sure you can have an apology and a list of corrected stats'"
but oddly they have still to appear. Why is that? And the answer doesn't involve any input required from me first - that's a red-herring, a nonsense given they are your stats and you've recognised the flaw you introduced. Not sure if you've let everyone else in to the closely guarded secret yet - perhaps you have and I missed it.
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You know what I think everyone needs? Apart from cake?
Some actual rugby, played on grass, with real players. Then we can all argue about that. Instead of the last few months of recycling last season's post-mortem.
Roll on Sunday evening when we can get down to the serious business of reading too much into a single match.
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1. Of the current squad available starting position forwards this season ages range from 36 to 21 and over the 11 players the average is 27 by my caculations.
I would suspect this is fairly typical of other squads and is a fair balance of youth and experience.
2. The under achieving question is more difficult in IMHO and more subjective an issue. In real terms is all relative and compared to our previous recent successes it could be argued as so.'"
To be fair mate numbers and age are secondry to the actual quality imo.
As i've posted before DA imo the Transition within the pack should have started last year and should we lose JP for a sustained length of time i think it could prove to be a gamble that back-fires.
It's not just age that is the concern either its the quality i don't think Kylie is as effective or explosive as he used to be but could still have a possible role on a rotational basis but we know he will be 1st choice with JP.
Bailey had 2 decent games last year in between injuries and suspension whilst also playing at 13 but i hope he's used back at Prop and prove effective.
Kirke imo isn't consistent or good enough to be 1st choice 17 again imo ,Jjb and Delaney are both seriously over-played when battered again something that should'nt have happened with the former injured already.
It should be a big year for Singleton and Achurch to establish themselves as 1st choice regulars whilst also injury permitting a chance for Ward to get plenty of games hopefully at 13.
I'm not expecting much from Yates given his unlucky start to his career with us and i think it could be make or break for Clarkson.
I'd like to see Ablett play the full season(again injury permitting) as the left side BR we saw some good glimpses of potential at the start of last year when he linked with Moon and Hall.
As for under-achievement we suffered a lot of injuries but at the same time a lot of our established regulars played below their best at various times more regularly than seasons past.
I've no doubt our best 17 on form can compete and beat every team in this league and even if we suffer 2/3 injuries there are options i just think we could and should have recruited a 1st choice Prop and another BR. |
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Tvoc made incorrect claims, thus needs to leave the board according to his promise.
He won't though because he's a liar.
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He won't though because he's a liar.'"
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"well I will start then....
1. Of the current squad available starting position forwards this season ages range from 36 to 21 and over the 11 players the average is 27 by my caculations.
I would suspect this is fairly typical of other squads and is a fair balance of youth and experience.
2. The under achieving question is more difficult in IMHO and more subjective an issue. In real terms is all relative and compared to our previous recent successes it could be argued as so.'"
Leeds may have a similar age split as most teams the problem Leeds have is all their key players are now all in the over 30 category - especially the props - and that for me is the issue. |
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| Quote ="rhinoms"To be fair mate numbers and age are secondry to the actual quality imo.
As i've posted before DA imo the Transition within the pack should have started last year and should we lose JP for a sustained length of time i think it could prove to be a gamble that back-fires.
It's not just age that is the concern either its the quality i don't think Kylie is as effective or explosive as he used to be but could still have a possible role on a rotational basis but we know he will be 1st choice with JP.
Bailey had 2 decent games last year in between injuries and suspension whilst also playing at 13 but i hope he's used back at Prop and prove effective.
Kirke imo isn't consistent or good enough to be 1st choice 17 again imo ,Jjb and Delaney are both seriously over-played when battered again something that should'nt have happened with the former injured already.
It should be a big year for Singleton and Achurch to establish themselves as 1st choice regulars whilst also injury permitting a chance for Ward to get plenty of games hopefully at 13.
I'm not expecting much from Yates given his unlucky start to his career with us and i think it could be make or break for Clarkson.
I'd like to see Ablett play the full season(again injury permitting) as the left side BR we saw some good glimpses of potential at the start of last year when he linked with Moon and Hall.
As for under-achievement we suffered a lot of injuries but at the same time a lot of our established regulars played below their best at various times more regularly than seasons past.
I've no doubt our best 17 on form can compete and beat every team in this league and even if we suffer 2/3 injuries there are options i just think we could and should have recruited a 1st choice Prop and another BR.'"
IMO that's a fair analysis. I have a slightly different take on the recruitement issue though.
If we agree the pack is the engine of the team then the hooker position is the carboureter which combines the fuel and provides the thrust.
Do I think we have found the solution to this issue ? Well time will tell but I do suggest that playing Burrow there isn't the answer.
Its a dynamic position which requires a combination of vision craft and quile and an ability to take the pack into the required positions for the packs to apply pressure and then to score.
IF and its a big if..... we have found a replacement that can lead the pack I believe we have a good blend of youth and experience in the forwards and a very exciting set of backs which can achieve.  |
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| Quote ="rhinoms"To be fair mate numbers and age are secondry to the actual quality imo.
As i've posted before DA imo the Transition within the pack should have started last year and should we lose JP for a sustained length of time i think it could prove to be a gamble that back-fires.
It's not just age that is the concern either its the quality i don't think Kylie is as effective or explosive as he used to be but could still have a possible role on a rotational basis but we know he will be 1st choice with JP.
Bailey had 2 decent games last year in between injuries and suspension whilst also playing at 13 but i hope he's used back at Prop and prove effective.
Kirke imo isn't consistent or good enough to be 1st choice 17 again imo ,Jjb and Delaney are both seriously over-played when battered again something that should'nt have happened with the former injured already.
It should be a big year for Singleton and Achurch to establish themselves as 1st choice regulars whilst also injury permitting a chance for Ward to get plenty of games hopefully at 13.
I'm not expecting much from Yates given his unlucky start to his career with us and i think it could be make or break for Clarkson.
I'd like to see Ablett play the full season(again injury permitting) as the left side BR we saw some good glimpses of potential at the start of last year when he linked with Moon and Hall.
As for under-achievement we suffered a lot of injuries but at the same time a lot of our established regulars played below their best at various times more regularly than seasons past.
I've no doubt our best 17 on form can compete and beat every team in this league and even if we suffer 2/3 injuries there are options i just think we could and should have recruited a 1st choice Prop and another BR.'"
IMO that's a fair analysis. I have a slightly different take on the recruitement issue though.
If we agree the pack is the engine of the team then the hooker position is the carboureter which combines the fuel and provides the thrust.
Do I think we have found the solution to this issue ? Well time will tell but I do suggest that playing Burrow there isn't the answer.
Its a dynamic position which requires a combination of vision craft and quile and an ability to take the pack into the required positions for the backs to apply pressure and then to score.
IF..... and its a big if..... we have found a replacement that can lead the pack I believe we have a good blend of youth and experience in the forwards and a very exciting set of backs which can achieve.
Quote ="Sal Paradise"Leeds may have a similar age split as most teams the problem Leeds have is all their key players are now all in the over 30 category - especially the props - and that for me is the issue.'"
So does that mean we replace them all regardless ???
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"IMO that's a fair analysis. I have a slightly different take on the recruitement issue though.
If we agree the pack is the engine of the team then the hooker position is the carboureter which combines the fuel and provides the thrust.
Do I think we have found the solution to this issue ? Well time will tell but I do suggest that playing Burrow there isn't the answer.
Its a dynamic position which requires a combination of vision craft and quile and an ability to take the pack into the required positions for the backs to apply pressure and then to score.
IF..... and its a big if..... we have found a replacement that can lead the pack I believe we have a good blend of youth and experience in the forwards and a very exciting set of backs which can achieve.
So does that mean we replace them all regardless ???
Ask Tony Smith.'"
No but you also don't let them all get old together - we could have replaced Kirke & Kylie with younger models such as Amor and that would give the pack a younger feel without losing any quality in fact the quality would have been improved.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"No but you also don't let them all get old together - we could have replaced Kirke & Kylie with younger models such as Amor and that would give the pack a younger feel without losing any quality in fact the quality would have been improved.
Ask Tony Smith what Nathan Brown has done!!'"
Hindsight is always 20/20
I agree Amor seems to have been worthy of retention on the face of it but we don't ever know all the circumstances.
Saints seem to have recruited well ( for once ) with Walsh and look very balanced and already had Roby in place , by the way what age are they ???
Just checked 26 and 28 so Saints seem to be in good stead this year.
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DA-I agree re-Hooker but i still think Mc.D will put RB in there most if not all games when fit unless we lose Mags again & RB goes to 7.
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"Hindsight is always 20/20
I agree Amor seems to have been worthy of retention on the face of it but we don't ever know all the circumstances.
Saints seem to have recruited well ( for once ) with Walsh and look very balanced and already had Roby in place , by the way what age are they ???
Just checked 26 and 28 so Saints seem to be in good stead this year.
I am looking forward to seeing a bit more of Sutcliffe, Singleton, Achurch and Yates this season.
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Hindsight is no substitute for making the correct decision - in this case it would appear GH has made several poor decisions.
On Yates - I think that signing was GH trying to justify the scrapping of the reserve grade. A very average player even in the championship. |
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Hindsight is no substitute for making the correct decision - in this case it would appear GH has made several poor decisions.
On Yates - I think that signing was GH trying to justify the scrapping of the reserve grade. A very average player even in the championship.'"
Hindsight is Hindsight and judging so called poor decisions is easy with the benefit of same.
GH may well have made some errors he is only human after all but I can say looking back he has made lots of good ones.
Judging such a young player with very limited game time is very subjective and at best personal opinion only.
I tend to leave those decisions to those with a lot more experience in the game. He might well fit into the category of decisions such as Hardaker Hall Watkins BJB Moon in recent years. |
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When Amor went in loan to Wakefield I don't remember anyone being bothered at all. In fact he had been written off by most on here as useless. By the end of that year it was clear he had something however he made the decision to stay somewhere he was guaranteed a start and enjoyed playing his rugby rather than fight for a spot at the current Grand final winners. Interesting no other big club was interested at that stage. It's hardly the horrible decision some on here would have you believe
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Was it at Wigan, where he had about fifteen minutes of looking like an absolute headless chicken and had to be subbed out of his misery?
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I think so. He played in a couple of other games I think but IIRC he never made an impact and was heavily criticised on here. Probably by the same people now criticising the club for not persevering with him
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Quote ="ThePrinter"Tvoc made incorrect claims, thus needs to leave the board according to his promise.
He won't though because he's a liar.'"
As already stated people can look back to what I said and when I said it.
My offer was in response to this post here - viewtopic.php?f=17&t=563946&tsmp=1393508477&start=32 where you made comparisons between six forwards based on Opta stats.
You made errors in your calculations and you've admitted this to be the case.
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He won't though because he's a liar.'"
As already stated people can look back to what I said and when I said it.
My offer was in response to this post here - viewtopic.php?f=17&t=563946&tsmp=1393508477&start=32 where you made comparisons between six forwards based on Opta stats.
You made errors in your calculations and you've admitted this to be the case.
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| Quote ="Andy R"When Amor went in loan to Wakefield I don't remember anyone being bothered at all. In fact he had been written off by most on here as useless. By the end of that year it was clear he had something however he made the decision to stay somewhere he was guaranteed a start and enjoyed playing his rugby rather than fight for a spot at the current Grand final winners. Interesting no other big club was interested at that stage. It's hardly the horrible decision some on here would have you believe'"
actually several people questioned the decision at the time. some of us rated him highly.
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Quote ="tvoc"As already stated people can look back to what I said and when I said it.
My offer was in response to this post here - viewtopic.php? ... 7&start=32 where you made comparisons between six forwards based on Opta stats.
You made errors in your calculations and you've admitted this to be the case.
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All that's required now are the corrected stats that you've promised but so far failed to deliver.'"
I can't correct the stats until you tell me how 2013 was incomplete in terms of games. As I'm of the opinion only 2012 is incomplete then it would be utterly pointless to post new stats as my 2013 numbers would be the same, but you claim an error with them.
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My offer was in response to this post here - viewtopic.php? ... 7&start=32 where you made comparisons between six forwards based on Opta stats.
You made errors in your calculations and you've admitted this to be the case.
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All that's required now are the corrected stats that you've promised but so far failed to deliver.'"
I can't correct the stats until you tell me how 2013 was incomplete in terms of games. As I'm of the opinion only 2012 is incomplete then it would be utterly pointless to post new stats as my 2013 numbers would be the same, but you claim an error with them.
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also its a good job young players aren't judged on one early game or plenty of our 30+ players now wouldn't be here!'"
Amor is one of a very few players that we've let go that I wish we hadn't. I remember saying at the time that the loan spell at Wakefield was a good idea for the lad but we should have moved heaven and earth to keep his name on the Leeds books.
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The decision to let Amor go to Wakefield on loan was the correct one.
However, do you think Amor should've been judged on a couple of first team displays for Leeds or should Leeds have utilized the loan deal properly by assessing Amor's performances whilst he was out at loan.
Whilst the decision to Amor go on loan was correct, the decision to let hois stay permanently was not. This is not hindsight on my paty anyway. I said in game threads when he played against us or when IO saw him that he was impressive and better than most of our forwards (not to mention younger).
Hindsight or not the club messed up with Amor.
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I didn't have an opinion when he went on loan. Mainly because I hadn't seen him play. I thought it was probably a good idea to see how he coped in a Super League environment. This had previously worked well for us when Scruton went to Hull and Burgess to London.
I'm not sure any of us are aware of how the situation developed while he was at Wakefield or what contact Leeds had with him at the time. It looks like they lost the player during that year but how much was down to Leeds and how much was down to the player we'll never know. At the end of that year other clubs could have tried to sign him and didn't. It was only another Wakey firesale which caused him to move on
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