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| The best most consistent centre over his entire career that I've seen in a Rhinos jersey. I've always been glad he didn't go to Wigan when he left Sheffield.
I hope that in his eagerness to finish up with 600 games to his name he doesn't go on too long, diminishing his memory for those who recall him in his pomp.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"The best most consistent centre over his entire career that I've seen in a Rhinos jersey. I've always been glad he didn't go to Wigan when he left Sheffield.
I hope that in his eagerness to finish up with 600 games to his name he doesn't go on too long, diminishing his memory for those who recall him in his pomp.'"
Completely agree OF i just hope last year was a Blip in terms of his consistency and form.
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| Keith Senior even at 80% is still better than anything he's likely to face in SL.
The team suffered a downturn in form at times last season, I don't think Senior's was anything out of line with that and I'm looking forward to see how he fares this year after his pre-season shoulder op.
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| Quote ="Lord Magoon"Make no wonder the Aussies are still streets ahead of us then
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i rarely post but this has really got my back up! In terms of durability or consistancy please name me any RL player who has performed over the number of years to the level that Keith Senior has? and before any one says Cunningham (who has been great dont get me wrong but always cried off when it came to test matches) i dont buy that. Keith apart from the unfortunate 2005 season (cup final etc) he has been an absolute privelage to watch. I dont care what other people say but he is the greatest british centre i have ever seen and it will be along time before we ever see one as good, not just in a Leeds shirt but in an England or Gb one.
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| Quote ="rhinochris"sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!
i rarely post but this has really got my back up! In terms of durability or consistancy please name me any RL player who has performed over the number of years to the level that Keith Senior has? and before any one says Cunningham (who has been great dont get me wrong but always cried off when it came to test matches) i dont buy that. Keith apart from the unfortunate 2005 season (cup final etc) he has been an absolute privelage to watch. I dont care what other people say but he is the greatest british centre i have ever seen and it will be along time before we ever see one as good, not just in a Leeds shirt but in an England or Gb one.'"
Oh dear.
There's always one isnt there.
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| Quote ="rhinochris"sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!
i rarely post but this has really got my back up! In terms of durability or consistancy please name me any RL player who has performed over the number of years to the level that Keith Senior has? '"
Ladies and Gentlemen, we need look no further in this arguement that our very own late, great John Holmes ....
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| Probably the best British centre by SL standards (which aren't very high).
Hopelessly out of his depth and relentlessly outclassed at international level against the Aussies and Kiwis culminating in the suffering of sundry personal embarrassments and frustrations. This would include being owned by Steve Matai and then throwing a hissy fit and spitting his dummy out because he got squirted with a bit of water by a Kiwi trainer.
Carl Gibson was a far better centre than Senior and also performed admirably at international level.
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| A pleasure to watch at domestic level and he will be remembered as a Leeds icon.....have a feeling however that this might be a season too far. I hope not.
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| Whilst we got him as a Wigan reject right at the end of his career, one of the most skillful centres at Leeds in the last 25 years was David Stevenson.
Like Holmes, he had a football brain and what his legs lacked was more than made up by his ability to put players in to a gap with a well timed pass ....
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| Great centre, great servant to club and game....but a lil ott saying greatest ever??
The modern back division as been lacking top Intl class back patic' centres domestically; hence we bring the our Aussie cousins in and it showed in last years Intl series.
Consistently good over a long time and that takes some doing...I for one hope to see him notch a few more seasons yet in our great game...
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| Quote ="rhinochris"sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!
i rarely post but this has really got my back up! In terms of durability or consistancy please name me any RL player who has performed over the number of years to the level that Keith Senior has? and before any one says Cunningham (who has been great dont get me wrong but always cried off when it came to test matches) i dont buy that. Keith apart from the unfortunate 2005 season (cup final etc) he has been an absolute privelage to watch. I dont care what other people say but he is the greatest british centre i have ever seen and it will be along time before we ever see one as good, not just in a Leeds shirt but in an England or Gb one.'"
No wonder you rarely post. What a load of rubbish,obviously you have a soft spot for Keith so I dont want to upset you too much.Keith should never have played at international level he is way out of his depth.If you watch most of his performances against the Aussies you can see that they spot him all the time. The tries that Aussies have scored through him being targeted as the weak link far outweigh the occasional one he has scored against them.FACT.Sorry!!!
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| Quote ="Lord Magoon"No wonder you rarely post. What a load of rubbish,obviously you have a soft spot for Keith so I dont want to upset you too much.Keith should never have played at international level he is way out of his depth.If you watch most of his performances against the Aussies you can see that they spot him all the time. The tries that Aussies have scored through him being targeted as the weak link far outweigh the occasional one he has scored against them.FACT.Sorry!!!'"
That's an unreasonable assessment of Keith Senior because he is arguably the best British centre of his SL generation. The fact that he was out of his depth at international level against the Aussies and Kiwis on numerous occasions is not, and can never amount to a justifiable case for his exclusion from international selection because he was (and still is) one of the best British centres we've got. The alternative would have been to select players ahead of him who were inferior.
The fact that Keith Senior has been the best and most consistently performing British centre for the past decade or more is a sad indictment of the entire SL-era. As a player, he is not alone given that we haven't produced a single, genuine, consistently performing world class player since the switch to SL.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"That's an unreasonable assessment of Keith Senior because he is arguably the best British centre of his SL generation. The fact that he was out of his depth at international level against the Aussies and Kiwis on numerous occasions is not, and can never amount to a justifiable case for his exclusion from international selection because he was (and still is) one of the best British centres we've got. The alternative would have been to select players ahead of him who were inferior.
The fact that Keith Senior has been the best and most consistently performing British centre for the past decade or more is a sad indictment of the entire SL-era. As a player, he is not alone given that we haven't produced a single, genuine, consistently performing world class player since the switch to SL.'"
Do you think that Keith would have shown up better internationally if he was surrounded by players of better quality.
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"Do you think that Keith would have shown up better internationally if he was surrounded by players of better quality.'"
No, because he'd have been targeted more often as the more obvious weak link.
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| He's having a shocker against Bradford... Past it
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| Quote ="DropGoalGiant"He's having a shocker against Bradford... Past it'"
Gotta admit he was out of position for several of the tries ....
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| Quote ="AdmiralHanson"Gotta admit he was out of position for several of the tries ....'"
never once competed for a high ball either. Maybe a season too far at centre, and should be moved into the 2nd row
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"never once competed for a high ball either. Maybe a season too far at centre, and should be moved into the 2nd row'"
He's never been noted for competing for the high ball. It's not, and never has been part of his armoury. He's always had a tendency to take no responsibility but instead turn his back on the high ball and leave it for someone else to deal with... utilising himself as a blocker instead to obstruct opposition players.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"He's never been noted for competing for the high ball. It's not, and never has been part of his armoury. He's always had a tendency to take no responsibility but instead turn his back on the high ball and leave it for someone else to deal with... utilising himself as a blocker instead to obstruct opposition players.'"
Well, perhaps he should have been blocking somewhere close to the tryline and not 5 yards inside play.
Given that he was blowing hot and cold last season, but was unfortunate to get binned, I was amazed when McD took Pitts off and left Senior in the centre with Delaney on the bench. Should have been Watkins and Delaney at centre, with Squeef in the 2nd row.
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| Quote ="AdmiralHanson"Well, perhaps he should have been blocking somewhere close to the tryline and not 5 yards inside play.'"
I'm not disputing that. These deficiencies in his game have always been there.
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| Thought Senior was lucky to be only penalised by Ganson. Ganson has a much stronger attitudes to seniors if I remember correctly.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"I'm not disputing that. These deficiencies in his game have always been there.'"
Indeed ... One of the big reasons why Squeef was owned by Henry Faa'filli at Huddersfield for New Zealand in (IIRC) 2004
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| I don't think he was on his own with inept defence from kicks we resembled the chuckle brothers in defence "to me to you"!
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| Keith looked very out of position today, possibly a season too far for me.
Kyle Briggs got the better of him time and time again today.
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| I love Senior but today he was thoroughly woeful. Numerous knock ons, dodgy in defence, the high ball shenanigans. Only good thing i can remember is the quick no look pass to hall for our 2nd try.
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Webb, Hall, Smith, Watkins, BJB, McGuire, Burrow (obviously Sinny in for Mags at this point)
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