Cuthbertson is definitely not 100%. On after 27 mins off after 49 mins. 22 mins total with a HT break Inbetween. Vs Wigan and HKR it was 20 & 25 mins and not picked for Fev. He's definitely being nursed through the end of the season. Against London and Batley we might as well give Mullally a crack instead.

Also when Stevie Ward ran off after doing kicking tee duties that knee didn't look comfortable/smooth running.

Then why are we playing an unfit prop when we have one on loan and Im not sure where Mullaly is tbh!

Can't be bothered explaining the obvious.

two words

"Warrior Mentality"

Wasn't Ablett ever present last year? I remember the last 5-6 games he looked as knackerwed as Delaney. I think Galloway, Garbutt and Cuthbertson have performed ok, with only Garbutt doing better. Like a few others I think Cuthbo has been playing injured and the shambles that has been our performances this year it's no wonder his offload game hasn't been utilised.

With Achurch and Falloon gone and question marks over Zak and Segeyaro It would seem we have cap space but unsure where to spend it. I could cope with losing Zak if it meant getting a top class HB with Sutty staying at FB. In fantasy land I would also want to release Delaney and Burrow if it meant signing a younger/explosive back rower and allowed Lilley more or time and perhaps a back up hooker to cover for Segeyaro.

I didn't quote you so it was clear it was a post regarding the general theme of the thread and not one specific person or post. Perhaps you're struggling with your eyesight today. Not a surprise considering how consistently one-eyed and short-sighted you are.

2 years ago? We won the treble a year ago and played fantastic rugby in doing so. Why would anyone be so short-sighted and knee-jerk as to get rid of half the team and backroom staff because of one poor year? The previous year clearly shows their ability. It's utter madness and can't be described as anything but that.

I think Galloway, due to his longer game time, has been the better prop personally.

Ablett really wasn't poor last year, he, and the rest of the backrow, were exceptional.

We have reached one GF in 4 years - it could argued that 2015 was a blip on the back of all the emotion of two great players' last season. 2016 Leeds finished 9th, 2014 Leeds finished 6th, 2013 3rd looks like a trend to me - perhaps it you that is knee jerking one good season

Because we have a coach more interested in his own survival than player welfare - simple really

Which of these players would you say are playing at the same standard or higher than they did when the Sinny' ran the on the field and Peacock set the culture?

Thank god some on here are not running the club.
They make Cellino appear level headed.

That is a pretty ridiculous way to look at it


Why would you focus on the last 4 years, we have had the same coach for the past 6, why draw a line at 2013?

Another way took at it is that this is the first time in 17 years that Leeds haven't got to a semifinal, a bad season sure, but by no means a long term trend.

First time we haven't made a domestic final since 2006.

My thought is that this season has turned into something of a purge. It may have been brutal at times but has undoubtedly brought focus on what needs to be done moving forward.

I have total faith in GH to get it right.

Mate, why do you even bother engaging with this div? Life's too short!

Thank god some of you lot aren't running the club! If Segeyaro stays, we need an organiser at 6. That's it. Ward will be like a new signing.

Ward will be captain. It's a question of when not if. It should be 2017.

Mags is hitting his sell by date, next year he'll be past it. He's not a leader and relied on his ability to spot a gap and be through it; can still spot the gap but the legs just wont get him there these days.

Burrow makes one or two 'darts' a game. Not enough to justify his very valuable 7 shirt.

Delaney spends more time on the physio bench than on the pitch - gives 110% but his body just can't take it any more.

Galloway just hasn't done anything to impress - he came with all the right credentials but nothing more than your run-of-the-mile, ten-a-penny SL props. For what we're paying we could get better.

what are we paying for Galloway? I don't recall seeing any figures published

add the the ,frankly, bizarre mullally signing to that list. wouldn't shock me if JJB retired too. and he should. glittering career and still great stats but watched him Friday and he struggled.

Those suggesting we bin off under contract players who've been part of the club for many years need to think about how that will affect future player loyalty.

Some of these players have taken unders to stay - if the club don't then repay that loyalty in kind, what will happen?

Because a number of people on here are saying the same thing - perhaps we are all divs - or maybe its you that is the div

Thank god you are not running the club. Hetberington might well be getting some over the top comments, but anyone who thinks one position will take us from cellar dwellers to challengers is simply off their rocker.

It will no doubt take us back into the eights, But is that the peak of our ambitions now? It will get us nowhere near the top four. We would not even be Castleford standard. You should strengthen from a position of strength, that is where Hetherington failed on this occasion. But when the chips are down, you don't rest on your laurels, you do something about it, and this is where he needs to make up for it.

Mullally....why is it he seems to be one that I continually forget about?? He was actually getting a lot of gametime at one point....is he injured now? (Not that he is any great loss).

From the little I have seen this season (and even less so now - and in the future - apart from online) I have to say the lucky signing of Segeyaro has probably stopped the club from suffering a likely relegation. Even with him in the team, the team looked far from convincing against HKR a couple of days ago. Without him and his two typical hooker's tries it aint looking good is it?
The positives this season are few: so many team members seem to have gone backwards. It [uis[/u good to see Watkins apparently back to some semblance of his good attacking ability; no doubt partly because he is no longer having to cover for too many HB's on the field at the same time in defence. However, it seems to be also partly due to the much better attacking FB we have in the shape of Liam Sutcliffe. I have always defended Hardaker, but it is very noticeable the difference Sutcliffe makes in attack: he actually links and passes. I confess he has surprised me in his new role and I would suggest FB is his better position. His defence isn't too bad one on one either. Let's hope Hardaker and Segeyaro stay where they are presently incumbent.
Burrow to me still seems more valuable than McGuire this season, but both are well past their best. Making McGuire captain was the mistake that many suggested it would be: he just does not have the temperament. If the club was even in a position to let both go then who would the club recruit? AGAIN it seems the club has left it far too late to make any top notch worthwhile signings. A 'controlling' HB should have been and is a priority.....on the assumption we keep Segeyaro of course. Otherwise hooker remains the absolute priority. However, it looks like we're buggered again for 2017 especially if Segeyaro returns to the NRL.

I wonder what excuses could be used for the 2017 start without SPOTY, The floods and the NZ friendly



As for the forwards if we do allow/compel JJB, Ablett, Achurch (wholeheartedly agree), Garbutt, Cuthbertson and Galloway to leave where the hell do we get their replacements from? IMO I cannot understand the criticism of Garbutt: he seems to be our best yardage maker and does exactly what a prop should do. Galloway seems to have settled into a role again consistent with what a prop should be doing. Cuthbertson does seem to have gone backwards, but again if we let him return to Oz because of rumoured homesickness then were is our replacement to be found? Ablett similarly if we allow to retire from the game because of rumoured wishes to do so, where again is our replacement to be found? JJB surely will call it a day at the end of this season: Ward effectively will be his replacement (hopefully - we have yet to see how he recovers of course). Keinhorst remains good cover and should definitely be retained. Singleton remains good enough.

At the very least in 2017 we need that good game controlling HB (exchanged for Hardaker?); the retention of Segeyaro .....and that new coach of course

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Otherwise we [u[iwill[/i[/u be in line for championship footie in 2018 (can't believe GH will find the same luck again with another Segeyaro saviour in 2017)

.....and as for Delaney. Please put him down now with some remaining dignity. He has featured so little this season I had forgotten about him. His esteemed coach is of course responsible for his curtailed carreer by throwing him into the fray whatever his lingering injuries. He does deserve a good pay off...and some of McDermott's future salary for his part in the present situation.

You would hope so....barring injuries. For sure McGuire aint a bloody captain...and at present is worth less than Burrow (which is only relative of course) as a player too.