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| Luke Dorn,worst player on the pitch. Bit of poetic justice there
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Rhinos 25-16 Cas ,Hall FTS and Zak for the Lance Todd!'"
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Speaking of Dorn. Are the 2 or 3 meters her moves off the mark every time he plays the ball included in his meters gain stats? It's about time this law was enforced, Cas are especially guilty of it.'"
This infringement does my head in. Tackled players sometimes gets up and leans forward 2 -3 meters and plons the ball down before playing it.Its made even worse when the dopey ref then blows for a penalty for not standing square when the two defending players have got up and set up on the correct mark only for the attacker to have stepped sideways and forward from where they were tackled. I cant remember the last time this was penalised.
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| Sir Kevin deserves his usual big wraps, but he gets an extra helping for his conversions, none of which were easy.
I'm fairly certain I could hear the entire Cas portion of the crowd saying 'Oh, for f***'* sake!' when that last one went in off both uprights.
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"Sir Kevin deserves his usual big wraps, but he gets an extra helping for his conversions, none of which were easy.
I'm fairly certain I could hear the entire Cas portion of the crowd saying 'Oh, for f***'* sake!' when that last one went in off both uprights.'" ive never seen that before, it took me until setting the replay to see it too, only knew it had hit the far post at the time
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| Good to see Ian Kirke put in a stint.
2 carries for 9 metres.
Oh and 10 tackles with 1 miss.
An integral part of the Rhinos machine.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Good to see Ian Kirke put in a stint.
2 carries for 9 metres.
Oh and 10 tackles with 1 miss.
An integral part of the Rhinos machine.'"
Least minutes of anyone in the squad with a shade under 12 minutes, I'd say 10 tackles, with several other assisted tackles is pretty decent, thats about 2 tackles per defensive set. 2 carries is low, but in a game where the forwards didn't carry a massive amount of ball our backs were making approximately half of the carries in a set I have no issue with a low number.
I'm sure he'd have liked more minutes, which may explain his muted appearance at the end (If so, the whilst no Matt Adamson style sulk, it could be seen as unprofessional), but with Peacock doing a big stint, and Bailey looking quite strong, Kirke's place in the sqaud would show he'd get small minutes
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| Obviously his 12 minutes were of such a standard that McDermott thought he needed someone else on the field.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Good to see Ian Kirke put in a stint.
2 carries for 9 metres.
Oh and 10 tackles with 1 miss.
An integral part of the Rhinos machine.'"
Where are you getting the stats from Bullseye?
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Obviously his 12 minutes were of such a standard that McDermott thought he needed someone else on the field.'"
Hold on? What right have you to bag a champion like Kirke. Great squad player would be captain at a $hithouse club like yours.
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| No wonder Kirke looked so sheepish about lifting the cup. Surprised he didn't ask Peacock to do it for him.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"Hold on? What right have you to bag a champion like Kirke. Great squad player would be captain at a $hithouse club like yours.'"
Why the animosity, Bullseye is right, 12 mins in a game is a strange contribution and even more so in a final but it's not the first time McDermott has baffled us with his use of subs.
I noticed kirkes first drive got us 0 meters after two good runs from our backs.
If you are going to be theoretical about Kirkes place in the Bulls squad it would be better to guess his use to the Bulls 2003ish squad and not the current one.
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| I'm sure that Kirke did exactly what his coach asked him to do ie sub JP for the 10 or so minutes he was off the field.
From recollection one tackle he did do was a one on one on Clarke who otherwise could have made one of his trademark darts from dummy half & who knows what that could have led to?
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"Hold on? What right have you to bag a champion like Kirke. Great squad player would be captain at a $hithouse club like yours.'"
I’m not sure what the Bulls have to do with this discussion. You’re sensitivity about Kirke suggests you’re not convinced by him either.
As for my "right"... get a grip.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"Why the animosity, Bullseye is right, 12 mins in a game is a strange contribution and even more so in a final but it's not the first time McDermott has baffled us with his use of subs.
I noticed kirkes first drive got us 0 meters after two good runs from our backs.
If you are going to be theoretical about Kirkes place in the Bulls squad it would be better to guess his use to the Bulls 2003ish squad and not the current one.'"
I have a problem with a bulls fan slagging a players contribution from another club (a champion player at a champion club) after the performances they have turned in this season and many more since 2003.
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| SgtWilko is spot on in his observations about Bullseye's Post.
Perhaps the Bradford chappie is simply having a last SuperLeague whinge before both he, and his underwhelming team disappear down the pan at the end of the season....
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| Quote ="Old Feller"I'm sure that Kirke did exactly what his coach asked him to do ie sub JP for the 10 or so minutes he was off the field.
From recollection one tackle he did do was a one on one on Clarke who otherwise could have made one of his trademark darts from dummy half & who knows what that could have led to?'"
Kirke will be able to look back on moments like that with pride. He must feel so fulfilled.
Seriously though. What is McDermott's rationale behind having Kirke in the side?
I suspect it’s something to do with Peacock’s desire to play long minutes. McDermott knows that he needs someone who doesn’t mind playing 10mins here or there to allow Peacock a breather. Kirke’s obviously ok with being a “bit part” player who while in the 17 doesn’t really contribute anything to the side of any note. I suspect not many players would want this role given that it must make him feel a bit of a fraud when he’s collecting all these winners medals.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"I have a problem with a bulls fan slagging a players contribution from another club (a champion player at a champion club) after the performances they have turned in this season and many more since 2003.'"
Quote ="BillyRhino"SgtWilko is spot on in his observations about Bullseye's Post.
Perhaps the Bradford chappie is simply having a last SuperLeague whinge before both he, and his underwhelming team disappear down the pan at the end of the season....'"
Such a pair of sensitive souls
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Kirke will be able to look back on moments like that with pride. He must feel so fulfilled.
Seriously though. What is McDermott's rationale behind having Kirke in the side?
I suspect it’s something to do with Peacock’s desire to play long minutes. McDermott knows that he needs someone who doesn’t mind playing 10mins here or there to allow Peacock a breather. Kirke’s obviously ok with being a “bit part” player who while in the 17 doesn’t really contribute anything to the side of any note. I suspect not many players would want this role given that it must make him feel a bit of a fraud when he’s collecting all these winners medals.'"
Some of that is total BS. Kirke has had some cracking games for Leeds on the way to finals and in finals. I will never forget him smashing Mike Bennett in the 07' GF. I think that was literally the end of Bennett's Career. Kirke has been making solid contributions for the best part of a decade whilst 99% of SL players are on a beach.
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| Kirke put a great hit on Delaney in final
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"But let's not also presume Cas can turn up in a major final. All new ground to them, let's see how they handle the occasion.'"
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| To be fair to the relegated one, Kirke or any other Leeds player are not Champions, they are Final Winners.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Good to see Ian Kirke put in a stint.
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An integral part of the Rhinos machine.'"
He didn't look to happy either when he picked up the cup
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| Quote ="The Eagle"Least minutes of anyone in the squad with a shade under 12 minutes, I'd say 10 tackles, with several other assisted tackles is pretty decent, thats about 2 tackles per defensive set. 2 carries is low, but in a game where the forwards didn't carry a massive amount of ball our backs were making approximately half of the carries in a set I have no issue with a low number.
I'm sure he'd have liked more minutes, which may explain his muted appearance at the end (If so, the whilst no Matt Adamson style sulk, it could be seen as unprofessional), but with Peacock doing a big stint, and Bailey looking quite strong, Kirke's place in the sqaud would show he'd get small minutes'"
Also, I only saw 1 carry, but I was quite hung over when watching the replay on Sunday morning
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| Another thought is that Kirke probably knows he isn't exactly the most loved player from the fans so wasn't hardly going to get the strongest reaction if he did go for it whilst lifting the cup.
Also had he gone for it he'd probably be getting knocked more on here from guys saying he didn't do anything to warrant celebrating like that.
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