Achurch was on a lot and so is hardaker, loan hardaker out another year and bin Achurch, that frees up AT LEAST the 175,000 cap space required to make a marque signing, so we can effectively spend what we want on a new player

Also if we just paid out the last year on McGuire and Burrows contracts, it would count on our cap anyway. Are you saying we are better off with nothing?

Do you understand the salary cap mate?

but if he retires, and I think he should,and the club sort out a role for him then it's win win all round.
sadly I think time has caught up with him

Why do we need to buy an organising half back at all when we already have one in Lilley?

Leeds were playing in the lower league yesterday, Lilley still looked slow and missed as many tackles as he made (IMO - whether Opta agree or not) I still don't see what some fans are seeing in him.

I think Lilley can be developed into an organising half good enough for SL, I don't think turning the role over to him next year will immediately solve our problems.

In terms of his defence he has a habit of shooting the line, which could just be over enthusiasm. In terms of one on one tackling he's no worse than most halves in SL and a good deal better than some.

How many 19 year old HB's were good defenders from the off at that age in SL?

I am not saying we write off Lilly, but he still needs a couple more years to develop IMO.
Remember that Adam Reynolds Cooper Cronk and even Thurston didn't emerge as top quality controlling halves until they were 23/4

I think we should sign a half with a good kicking and organising game, to allow Mcguire Sutcliffe and our outside backs more time and space to create tries. (I am still quite annoyed that we didn't get Gale, who despite what Sky will tell you, has been a lot better that Sneyd and Gidly)

Lilly could then probably be sent on loan where he will get consistent game time at 7, ideally to a SL team or if not to a Championship team who will be in the Middle 8s

matty smith, luke walsh and michael dobson aren't that quick either tbh and none of them couldn't tackle a hot diner either
i would have loved either of walsh or dobson at our club this season

luke walsh is apparently manly bound which i find even more surprising judging by both of his deficiencies in his skill set that you have highlighted that lilley is also missing

i am not championing lilley nor am i writing lilley off just yet as he's still very young and is still on a steep learning curve trying to do a sinny type of game management
imo he could yet still prove to be a creative scrum half for us,especially if we get a decent 6 that compliments his skills

Are you comparing the pace of those three as they are now or as they were when they were twenty as Lilley will be in a fortnight?
Lilley has to be the slowest player I've seen pull on a first grade jersey for Leeds. The rest of his game at present doesn't even come close to compensating. Long term I don't see a future for him at Headingley, as soon as the next one rolls off the production line he'll be history and soon forgotten, IMO.

Danny won the Sunderland Trophy last GF and its not too long ago and because of that I think he will be still here next year

He and the rest of the team need to up their game considerably to be anything near to that performance next season.
We are rubbish this year with no signs of new players coming in to make it happen in 2017.

Body has let him down this year. Given that a lot of his game is based on the speed he does things, struggling to be fit has limited his effectiveness. It's all dependent on how fit he can get over the off season and who plays alongside him in the halves. If he's healthy and there are not too many expectations on him to "run" the game he could still be effective I think.
But reality is looking like he won't be able to get (or stay) healthy enough and he will be in a team with no hooker and no game managing half.

This.
Always wanted to say that

that was last year. he's been awful, when he's actually got on the field that is. this season was a year to far, next will be worse imo

I wouldn't write him off just yet. Regardless of one halfback position, we really need someone to steer the team around. Soward and Marshall are the most likely from the NRL. Personally I'd go for Soward because organisation and kicking are exactly his strengths. Marshall has just lost his mojo and hasn't adapted his game to the inevitable loss of pace. Its a bit sad to see him wind up for a run at the defence with his trademark hop skip and jump looking like a slow motion version of him at his peak.

I was totally underwhelmed by Soward's efforts for London & he was useless in defence.

It may not be inaccurate to suggest Soward is at London for a mini-holiday before a Full-Time deal next season.

London were always v.unlikely to go up, which would explain why Soward perhaps isn't at full steam.

Playing with better players tends to lift your game

I would take Soward at Leeds tomorrow. He would still shine in SL imo with quality around him.

Soward is finished , a good time for Leeds to sign him to reduce the crowds down to the required number

Don't be judging him playing half assed in an out of their depth London side. The guy is 'only' 31 and could easily give us a quality couple of years while McGuire walks off into the sunset and hopefully Lilley progresses. If we manage to keep Segeyaro and also get Soward on board our squad would look pretty handy for next year.

No mate he is gone , just after a pay day, although saying that you would have thought he would make more effort last Saturday to get that as his effort and tackling left alot to be desired and his skill set was none existent

I have always thought Soward could do a job for us and would go well in SL.
Do any of our resident Ozzies feel he compares well with Sandow whilst they both played in the NRL?
I guess the point I am making is if they were on a par then Soward could easily fit in to the pace of SL and could be just what we need.
If he was deemed inferior to Sandow then maybe we give it a miss.

To be fair to Mags, the lack of form isn't why I think we need to look at other options. The injuries are the worrying thing.

That was my thinking TBH regards the Sandow comparison.

You may be right but we do need another half who has good experience of carrying a team around the park with a good kicking game. Soward fits that bill if he does indeed have anything of his old self left in the tank. Not a great deal of other options out on the market right now is there?