Not being a betting man myself, I need to ask, what does that start mean and how does it differ from having a four point start?

It just takes the draw out of the equation. And the bookies hit the draw more often than you'd think!

Don't punt myself but I'm strangely intrigued by the odds.

The actual handicap is 4 points. That's the amount Leeds are given to bring the scores level. The half is added on to give a 'no-draw' handicap with slightly different odds.

I heard that the England RU side had booked him as their motivational speaker for their game at the weekend

My U12s will be walking out with the Rhinos on Saturday night, give them a cheer!!

Goes without saying Seth!!

they may give us a better game!

Weller hauraki girlfriend has given birth today, may not play tomorrow

Step up Kirke

Soft git. Games tomorrow. He needs man up

I didn't even know she was named in the squad. She should put her feet up and get herself right for next week.

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All the Sky pundits have tipped Leeds for this one with the exception of Terry O'Connor (he's also tipping Widnes at Huddersfield mind) ...... which means Phil Clarke is tipping Leeds ..... oh and Brian Carney needs to read up how bookies' handicaps work.

Clarke has also gone for London at Warrington. Inspired or insane, we'll have to wait till Sunday for confirmation. I think he may have spent too much time playing with his margin metre.

Awful news I'm afraid, I had a dream we got beat 88-0, and as I'm pretty sure it was a revelation rather than a dream chances are it will come true. Sorry guys.

Rhinos just tweeted the subs are McShane, Griffin, Leuluai and Clarkson.
Guessing that means unchanged from last week with Clarkson replacing Hauraki on bench?

Also tweeted the starting line up, no Watkins

Wrist injury for Watkins should be ok for next week

Looks like this frog is gonna make us work for the win.

Only reffing one team. Very frustrating.

Always the same at Wigan.

It's not Wigan it's Thiery Alifrog! Seriously needs to read the book before a game kicks-off!

Can see trouble coming in the second half when the Leeds team start losing composure through frustration!!

McIlorum lashes out in the tackle and Huraki gets a word from the ref, also clearly hear the hooker tell Sinfield to F*** off.

Hock looks like he's looking for trouble as well...

Weller Hauraki has played himself out of the Manly game on the basis of that first half, Chris Clarkson isn't effective off the bench in my opinion and Rob Burrow offers nothing as a starting Hooker for me and i'm very surprised we haven't seen Paul McShane yet.

We've been utter e so far, don't blame the ref or Wigan. We've done nothing in this game to warrant being in front.

he must have been the only man in the ground who thought ryans pass was forward. absolutely clueless. Hock looks like he high on something again

First 20 mins we had a few decent sets, the next 20 mins we look like we have lost interest but maybe morale would be different if decisions were 50/50?

We surely cant be that bad again so i expect a big 2nd half from Leeds.