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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Atkins head is the other side of Welsbys head. So the only contact that could have happened would be with Welsbys right shoulder (which given the direction Welsby tackled from would be the right shoulder for him to lead with). So two possibilities;
His right shoulder is lower than his left, leading to shoulder on shoulder contact, his arm tucks under Atkins arm and drives him back (which the behind angle shows)
His right shoulder is higher than his left, and it’s a classic clothes line tackle which would have rotated Atkins with pressure on the neck, rather than sending him backwards (which is what anyone claiming head contact must assume happened?)'"
What on earth are you talking about? You see the head in the picture? That's Atkins head. You see that shoulder in his face? That's Welsby's left shoulder. This is the reverse angle.
What is it with Saint's fans collective blindness on this one? Nobody's saying he did anything deliberately, but it's clearly a shoulder to the head and as such he should be banned for it. By all means bemoan the system, but don't look at evidence and deny what's clear and obvious.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Atkins head is the other side of Welsbys head. So the only contact that could have happened would be with Welsbys right shoulder (which given the direction Welsby tackled from would be the right shoulder for him to lead with). So two possibilities;
His right shoulder is lower than his left, leading to shoulder on shoulder contact, his arm tucks under Atkins arm and drives him back (which the behind angle shows)
His right shoulder is higher than his left, and it’s a classic clothes line tackle which would have rotated Atkins with pressure on the neck, rather than sending him backwards (which is what anyone claiming head contact must assume happened?)'"
Getting a frivolous appeal in [ibefore[/i a ban?
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| if Sezer's attempted tackle on Theo Fages against Huddersfield was worthy of a grade B, reckless high tackle, i dont see that Welsbys should be any different
Knowles was so clearly putting pressure on a joint in an unnatural position, ban goes without saying - the number of games i dont know, since its been a while since ive seen an offence like it, but at least one
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| Quote ="Once were Loiners"It was a rubbish tackle with no control. He hit him in the face, hence the blood. It could have been far better (if the guy hadn't been falling a bit it would have been fine) or a hell of a lot worse. The problem was Wellsby had zero control of the impact. I wouldn't be surprised if he escapes a ban with the GF coming up, but if the MRP is consistent with what they've done all year he'll be banned.'"
Beat tackle i've seen all season nowt wrong with it all and if if it was so bad why did no Salford player make a fuss ?
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| Quote ="thesaint62"Beat tackle i've seen all season nowt wrong with it all and if if it was so bad why did no Salford player make a fuss ?'"
it was high, and the salford player behind knew it and came in due to it
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| I'd love to hear John Wilkins view of the Welsby incident. He's been condemning those kind of tackles all season but now the shoe is on the other foot I'm guessing he'll think common sense should prevail.
This is what all fans have been asking for all year.
The Welsby tackle wasn't an intentional high tackle but it was reckless and they have to put in place the same punishments as they have all year. No doubt it will change for next year just like I'm sure they will have 2 weeks before semi's and final for concussion protocol.
I just don't understand how the people in charge don't see how there changes will affect the sport from the onset.
As a sport we are continually taking a reactive approach to the poor choices of those in charge.
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| Quote ="Neruda"it was high, and the salford player behind knew it and came in due to it'"
High? Rubbish bet you wouldn't say that if it had been a Leeds player
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| Quote ="thesaint62"High? Rubbish bet you wouldn't say that if it had been a Leeds player'"
look at the screenshot on the other page, its clearly shoulder to head. 1 match ban at least imo
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| Quote ="thesaint62"High? Rubbish bet you wouldn't say that if it had been a Leeds player'"
You"re only saying it isn't because it's saints.
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| Feel sorry for a lot of posters on here it seems if the only way you feel you can win the game is if the opposition have 3 or 4 players banned. Recent form should give you a lot more encouragement about your own ability to win the game.
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| Quote ="RogerMoore"Feel sorry for a lot of posters on here it seems if the only way you feel you can win the game is if the opposition have 3 or 4 players banned. Recent form should give you a lot more encouragement about your own ability to win the game.'"
On the contrary Mr Bond, I expect consistency from the MRP…
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| Embarrassing this
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| Quote ="RogerMoore"Feel sorry for a lot of posters on here it seems if the only way you feel you can win the game is if the opposition have 3 or 4 players banned. Recent form should give you a lot more encouragement about your own ability to win the game.'"
I think the belief among the Leeds fans is that the team can beat Saints.
The reason this subject is being heavily debated amongst Leeds fans is because we have been crucified by the MRP all season and the punishments haven't been applied across the board.
I would rather see Welsby play because I didn't see any intent but I saw Fusitua banned for the same offence, Sezer banned for a similar offence and Martin banned for something that wasn't anywhere near as bad.
I don't want to see a young kid denied the chance to play in a final but those tackles have been punished all season and let's not forget he left him with facial injuries. There's not really any argument that he shouldn't be banned.
Regardless of this in my opinion anybody who suffers a ban then I think their crimes should have been worthy of a sending off at the time. Players are getting yellow cards or just penalised on televised games and then getting banned. If it's serious enough for a ban it should be serious enough to see red in a game. For serial offenders then yes a ban after a number of offences. If they don't see red in a game how can you issue a ban afterward for 99% of incidents?
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| Hello
I have two tickets available in a great location & view centre of pitch old trafford as 2 friends are unable to make it
Block N1406 Row 4 Seating price £85 each
I will accept £150 for both.
If interested please text me asap 0780 144 0753
Many Thanks Dan
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| Quote ="Neruda"look at the screenshot on the other page, its clearly shoulder to head. 1 match ban at least imo'"
Don't need to look at a screenshot saw it live and several replays funny how no Salford have complained eh
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| Quote ="thesaint62"Don't need to look at a screenshot saw it live and several replays funny how no Salford have complained eh'"
Maybe they have a bit more class and dont want to influence the mrp by making comments,unlike your coach.
Judging by the various forums,groups and pages alot of Salford fans feel cheated.
So not sure on your point ?
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| Quote ="danlev316"Hello
I have two tickets available in a great location & view centre of pitch old trafford as 2 friends are unable to make it
Block N1406 Row 4 Seating price £85 each
I will accept £160 for both.
If interested please text me asap 0780 144 0753
Many Thanks Dan'"
What a wonderful bargain
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| Whatever gets said will get said and we will deal with it, we have to play what it’s in front of us either way.
With Gannon and Sezer out it’s got much tougher, would be good if Handley and Fusitua make it but doesn’t sound like they will.
Myler; Briscoe Sutcliffe Hardaker Tindall; Austin Leeming; Oledzki O’Connor Prior; Martin Bentley; Smith.
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| Hi its my first time taking car to old Trafford what's parking like any good suggestions on best to park usually rake train
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| just watched the saints game. absolutely nothing in the Welsby tackle but if Knowles escapes a ban it will be a disgrace. especially given the ridiculous low bar for bans this year.
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| parking everywhere mate. no problems and all well signposted. usually a tenner.
if you park behind the big amazon warehouse it's a bit longer walk but it's free among the side streets
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| Yeah prefer free parking mate tbh I know the closer to the ground the worse it is to park
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| Quote ="tad rhino"just watched the saints game. absolutely nothing in the Welsby tackle but if Knowles escapes a ban it will be a disgrace. especially given the ridiculous low bar for bans this year.'"
Agree about Knowles (as indeed as every Saints fan i've spoken to) rank stupidly
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| Quote ="Frosties."Whatever gets said will get said and we will deal with it, we have to play what it’s in front of us either way.
With Gannon and Sezer out it’s got much tougher, would be good if Handley and Fusitua make it but doesn’t sound like they will.
Myler; Briscoe Sutcliffe Hardaker Tindall; Austin Leeming; Oledzki O’Connor Prior; Martin Bentley; Smith.
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Sezers kicking has been fantastic of late he’s a huge miss. Gutted.
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| Quote ="CartHorse1984"I think the belief among the Leeds fans is that the team can beat Saints.
The reason this subject is being heavily debated amongst Leeds fans is because we have been crucified by the MRP all season and the punishments haven't been applied across the board.
I would rather see Welsby play because I didn't see any intent but I saw Fusitua banned for the same offence, Sezer banned for a similar offence and Martin banned for something that wasn't anywhere near as bad.
I don't want to see a young kid denied the chance to play in a final but those tackles have been punished all season and let's not forget he left him with facial injuries. There's not really any argument that he shouldn't be banned.
Regardless of this in my opinion anybody who suffers a ban then I think their crimes should have been worthy of a sending off at the time. Players are getting yellow cards or just penalised on televised games and then getting banned. If it's serious enough for a ban it should be serious enough to see red in a game. For serial offenders then yes a ban after a number of offences. If they don't see red in a game how can you issue a ban afterward for 99% of incidents?'"
Well said. Agree
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