People down play Sinfield's natural ability because he didn't have a devastating running game, but he was still more skill full both kicking and passing than 90% NRL halves at least.
People forget the 30 yard passes and pinpoint kicks because he is best remember for his leadership and crutch goalkicking.

I agree. Though again I don't necessarily think that was his natural ability.

I'm not a huge believer in natural ability, not to the extent some suggest anyway. I think it exists but there's a huge amount of other factors that go into the mix too. Any natural ability has to be nurtured and encouraged either actively or by chance. There's a decent amount of luck involved etc etc

In terms of Sinfield I think his "natural ability" was his attitude. That drove him to improve his passing etc and it showed in his maturity at a young age.

I agree on his passing and kicking too. England is crying out for a Kevin Sinfield right now. If he'd been in the England team we'd be in the 4 Nations final now I have no doubt.

Is this the same Sinfield who was very ordinary at international level?

Who cost us the semi final of the World Cup with two huge errors - failing to find touch with a kick followed very soon after by sprinting out of the defensive line allowing Johnson an easy jink, skip and run to an open tryline for the winning score?

His exemplary SL career never translated on to the international stage because there's a huge gap in intensity and playing standards between the two.

England would still be out of the 4N with him in charge.

Obligliatory biased troll post on Sinfield by plenty.

Did he refuse to shake you're hand once or something?

You are correct in the fact that the gap between Australia and England is big, and was particularly big around the time Sinfield was in his prime. As a Half playing behind a beaten pack on most occasions and far inferior back line to work with, it is always going to be difficult for a player with the skill set of Sinfield to make an impression on games. He is not a maverick who can come up with a wow play from nowhere no matter the game situation like Johnson for NZ.

We all laud the likes of Thurston, Cronk, Lockyer, Johns etc..etc.. and rightly so, they are great players but when their pack is living up to it's billing every time and setting the platform and they have a conveyor belt of superb ATG back options to use it makes things a hell of a lot easier! Put Sinfield in those teams and we would have seen the view of him change imo.

Sinfield wasn't outstanding at international level on the whole, but held his own in a time when we were very poor as a team and The rare occasions we did match up Sinfield was at the fore, the 2009 and 2011 four nations for example where we beat the kiwis to get to both finals he was MOM. and for me, he was very good during the 2013 WC despite you being hyper critical about the end when many other things could be picked out for England's demise in that last few minutes, you forgot to mention he was one of Englands best before that in that very game...the great ball to put Watkins in and the pass to Burgess over the top?

It's because he never played in the snow, in front of 700 fans in Swinton on a Wednesday night.

Winter rugby by plenty.

Guffaw ETC.

Playing behind a beaten pack on most occasions?

But England's pack is the equal, if not the best pack in the world surely?



It's the backs (in particular, the halfbacks) who aren't up to it, though you do appear to be implying that Sinfield is the exception. There is no evidence to support that view and no amount of MOM awards and Golden Boots from fawning RL publication editors or lickspittle RL journos will alter that.

Sinfield's best performance in an international shirt was in 2001 when he played hooker in the win against an undercooked, holiday-mode, just-stepped-off-the-plane Aussie team whose mindset was elsewhere after the initial tour cancellation. And Sinfield was still outshone by Sculthorpe's efforts.

By all means wax lyrical about Sinfield in Super League, but in an international shirt for GB or England?



Beyond Sculthorpe, Fielden (in his prime), Farrell, Graham and S.Burgess in that order, followed by daylight... I'm struggling to think of any other player during the SL era who has made a more-often-than-not regular international impact against the Aussies.

Anyhow, let's move on from the "Sinny is so lush, innit" derailment and get back on topic.....



WRT the Stadium Redevelopment, it does look like the club have been taking the fans for a ride by offering alternative (and in some cases, more expensive) season ticket options when they've known for quite some time that their redevelopment plans are a non-starter.

[url=http://www.sogtetleyfield.com/news/update-16th-november-2016[i[u"This application has been difficult from the start and on Green Belt issues alone was never going to be granted immediate permission. The Rugby Club have known for some time that this would significantly impact the timing of development of the South stand and would impact all of their season ticket holders for the new Rugby League season."[/u[/i[/url

I don't expect any club sycophants to be aggrieved in the slightest.

I agree those have been the areas we have been found out in down the years and continue to be.

I'm not implying Sinfield to have been a major success on the international stage, clearly he wasn't, but i don't think he was a disaster either as i pointed out various success he had had when the team as a whole was up to it, and you dismissed it predictably as 'Lickspittle' from the media



Anyway, i agree on one thing here, back on topic i didn't realise this was the stadium redevelopment thread...as you were

Just for s and giggles I looked up Sycophants in the opposite dictionary.

I got

"blaming, censuring, critical, denouncing, disparaging, insulting, reproachful, unflattering"

Now who is that a good discription of? Give me a minute, it'll come to me

Well it looks like it's back on the agenda again .Working hard to find a solution with LCC .Come in William

Nimbys 1 Sports clubs 0 www.therhinos.co.uk/news/heading ... FkGYvmLRPY

Nimbys 1 Sports clubs 0 www.therhinos.co.uk/news/heading ... FkGYvmLRPY

now it looks like they are saying to LCC you want test cricket and the prestige and revenue it brings to the city or don't you?

And you take the p!$$ out of people who make excuses for Leeds efforts last season.
Obviously it's not the excuses they use but the fact they're not as good at it as you are.

[uSave our green space Tetley Field[/u
1 hr ago...
[iThis morning we have been advised that the planning application for development on Tetley Field has been withdrawn by the applicant.

We anticipate that the applicant will now await the outcome of the SAP (site allocation process) before deciding next steps.

The applicant has also withdrawn the application for development of Tingley, but will proceed on the 12th of January with the stadium development plans.

Thanks to everyone for your support we will keep you updated with developments as they happen.

Wishing you all a Happy Christmas and prosperous New Year[/i

Not excuses, but [ureasons[/u.

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/1590014.stm[uThe Ashes Tour was cancelled in the wake of 9/11[/u[/url

The Aussie players went into off-season, thong-wearing holiday mode .

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/ashes_series/1599844.stm[uThen the Ashes Tour was back on[/u[/url...

... but reduced to a very short 19 day tour with fixtures against Bradford, Wigan and St Helens cancelled.

The Aussies were undercooked for that 1st Test.

And it was Sinfield's best game in an international rep shirt by a very huge margin.

I deal in reasons, not excuses.

Pleased to have educated you on the matter.

Seasonal felicitations BTW.

Likewise.

Headingley Stadium Development Plans from Gary Hetherington's New Year's email.

You may be aware that our plan includes a new South Stand and a new Main Stand to overlook both the rugby and cricket grounds. The latter development is crucial to ensure International cricket continues at Headingley and at the same time provide rugby and cricket fans with the very best facilities and amenities. About half of the overall £38 million cost was due to come from the sale for housing of land owned by us but we haven’t met the original timescale for planning permission and so the application has been withdrawn for the land but the stadium development plans have been submitted. Subject to approval, both the Rhinos and Yorkshire County Cricket have now to find an alternative funding mechanism and we are working hard and closely with Leeds City Council to come up with a solution. I am confident we will and we hope to make a significant announcement later this month! The timescale is tight. Work would have to start at the end of the 2017 Season with completion before the 2019 Ashes Cricket Test and the Cricket World Cup.

Let's hope the announcement is less embarrassing the GH's last two pronouncements on the redevelopment of the southstand



Also its hoped Leeds council have deep pockets because it appears GH's are well below the level of his hands

or alternatively...

I really hope this significant announcement is the good news we've all been waiting for.

Do I want the council to use its money supporting two business that simply are incapable of funding their place of work or would I rather the funds be used to provide school kids with books, support for old folks so they don't have to stay in hospital any longer than necessary, facilities for homeless etc.

Take your blinkers off

Wow

yes.... As I don't live in Leeds

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/o ... -1-8319088

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/o ... -1-8319088

Fantastic news!

What a great day to be a Leeds Rhinos fan



Two new stands... one confirmed, another merely awaiting its inevitable confirmation, thanks to the club flashing wads containing no less than £20 million to help finance most of it.

And a fullback signing who is alleged to be better than the poor man's Johnathan Thurston lookalike.

My glass is overflowing.

Another email from GH is surely due?