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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"in every area sport is like a normal business. Because they are businesses.
People for some reason pretend Sport is some whole new thing because they can't draw direct parallels between an RL club and a supermarket and that becomes a catch all excuse.
But its ridiculous, a sports club is no more different from a supermarket than film studio is. an RL club is no more different from an investment bank than a fishing vessel is and Leeds Rhinos are no less similar to a lumberyard as Google is. All are businesses, all operate under the same basic principles, and all are comparable to each other on a fundamental level even though superficially they are vastly vastly different.'"
It is like everything on here you can't tell him - he simply is so set in his mind that he is always right even when he is quite clearly wrong. Its hopeless he needs his own board when he can argue with himself.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Because they are businesses.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"It is like everything on here you can't tell him - he simply is so set in his mind that he is always right even when he is quite clearly wrong.'"
How am I wrong? Because you think so? Your opinion is no more right than mine on this subject.
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| Sport is like other businesses in attempting to make a profit. It is completely different from most 'normal' businesses in that very few professional sporting teams actually do make a profit. Pro RL would have ceased to exist decades ago if it was a 'normal' business.
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| I’ve had a record number of emails following last week’s game at Castleford and since they all follow a similar theme I’m writing to share my thoughts with all our fans rather than replying separately to each correspondence.
Our performance at Castleford was very poor from start to finish. Our opponents were just the opposite! They were exceptional on the night. The result was significant. Our heaviest defeat for over 20 years. This raises two questions. Firstly, how would we have fared if our team had included Rob Burrow, Keith Galloway, Mitch Garbutt, Jamie Jones Buchanan, Carl Ablett, Brett Ferres and Stevie Ward? And secondly was this one of those 'one off' results which occasionally occur in Super League? Last season for example Wigan conceded over 60 points at Wakefield Trinity, but recovered and went on to win the title!
These are the type of judgement calls that have to be made by senior management in all sports organisations all of the time and results like the one last week heighten the need to scrutinise. We found ourselves in this position last season and at the time, we were in no doubt our best policy was no change because we believed the team would show its true colours once the group of senior players returned from injury. We made a judgement call which I believe was the right one but we are not stubborn enough to believe no change is always the best option. But equally we don’t make knee jerk decisions and any actions have to be carefully thought out with the only consideration of “what’s in the best interests of the club now and in the future”.
With regard to our playing squad we are in a period of transition and the team that played at Castleford included 6 young players who have fairly recently graduated from our Academy and they are all learning and playing in a high-pressure environment.
This month is an important one with games against Catalans Dragons, Wakefield Trinity, Huddersfield Giants and Wigan Warriors and at its end we will be in a much better position to make an accurate judgement on the performance of all our players, coaching staff and senior management including myself.
In the meantime, let this be a time when we all continue to give as much vocal support as possible to the team who I know are desperately disappointed and determined to respond in the best possible way.
Very best wishes
Gary Hetherington
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| So 4 more weeks for mc dermott to turn it around. Personally like the majority it's a mistake to wait that long.
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| You could have sent it to our personal emails Gary. Internet forum? Thanks for the personal touch!
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"You could have sent it to our personal emails Gary. Internet forum? Thanks for the personal touch!'"
He did.
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| Ten games was always the judgement then. Needed to win 40% to stay in a job, as per his new contract. Four wins from 10. So he has to beat Catalans and Wakefield to acheive that IMO, as he will be losing a few after that. Hetherington is not doing what is best for the club and the future, he is in cloud cukoo land if he thinks that. You don't persist with a clear problem.
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| In 10 games it will be season over for us.
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| Quote ="Homer Simpson"In 10 games it will be season over for us.'"
Maybe, maybe not.
If we do lose a few and GH makes changes it could also be the start of 2018's pre-season and a new era for the club.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Ten games was always the judgement then. Needed to win 40% to stay in a job, as per his new contract. Four wins from 10. So he has to beat Catalans and Wakefield to acheive that IMO, as he will be losing a few after that. Hetherington is not doing what is best for the club and the future, he is in cloud cukoo land if he thinks that. You don't persist with a clear problem.'"
Up to the Wigan game is only 8 games not 10.
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| Quote ="loiner81"He did.'"
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| Seems a strange that he had ten games and GH was always going to give him ten games In fact they signed a new contract codifying that 10 game judgement, then put out this statement from GH saying we will be in a much better position to judge after 8 games.
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| I suppose this is being done to give enough time to set up a new coach to come in immediately after sacking, something that should have been in place for a while now. Otherwise you're left with JJB and Burrow coaching the team while you scour the world for someone available - much harder changing coaches in mid-season, which is another reason something should have been done following such an unprecedentedly bad year.
But it is a clear indication that GH is, finally, cracking.
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| Interesting times, it will show how much the players rate BM, will they step up a gear to save him?
FWIW its a really interesting season, both saints and wire seem to be in similar positions
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| Quote ="loiner81"
If we do lose a few and GH makes changes it could also be the start of 2018's pre-season and a new era for the club.'"
This is what needs to happen. Write this season off get a new coach in now to use the rest of this year to identify players he wants and get them tied up now instead of being left with the scraps when all the best players are contracted for 2018 and beyond. also tough decisions HAVE to be made now. there are several of the current squad who need to be told that they are either not good enough for us or they have reached the end of a glittering career. We can't continue to let this drift or 2018 will be as much of a write off as this.
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| Still think Cunningham will go first. Surprised if smith gets fired, wire have a stronger squad than us and saints. Theoretically in several weeks time, us and saints will be looking for a new coach. Still think the major problem is the quality and age of our squad. Player recruitment over the last few seasons has been abysmal.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Seems a strange that he had ten games and GH was always going to give him ten games In fact they signed a new contract codifying that 10 game judgement, then put out this statement from GH saying we will be in a much better position to judge after 8 games.'"
They didn't just give him 10 games on the new contract. They gave him a win percentage to achieve of at least 40%.
I am aware to the end of the Wigan game is 8 games, but I stated above what was following that, lossable games also. Therefore I would expect him to be sacked based on 10 games.
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| I'd have TS back in a heart beat
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| Quote ="christopher"Interesting times, it will show how much the players rate BM, will they step up a gear to save him?
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Some of the players should/would also be playing for their own futures. So yes, they should step up a gear if only to save themselves.
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| players to go ?
McGuire, JJB & Parcell, he is just not doing it for me.
These are just for starters for 10
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| Quote ="Norman Stanley Fletcher"I'd have TS back in a heart beat'"
With Brian McDermott as his assistant?
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| Quote ="Homer Simpson"players to go ?
McGuire, JJB & Purcell, he is just not doing it for me.
These are just for starters for 10'"
It's Parcell and he's been here 2 minutes.
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| Quote ="Homer Simpson"players to go ?
McGuire, JJB & Purcell, he is just not doing it for me.
These are just for starters for 10'"
for me - JJB, McGuire and Delaney end of season retirements.
Walters, Ormondroyd, Mullally will never be good enough at top level so should be moved on to a Championship club which is their maximum level imo.
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