Fair play to Kirke much better than i thought and Clarkson worse.
Bailey ,Buderus and Jjb with great efforts.
Errors and penalty count murdering us again.

Yes Kirke stats supprise me, better effort than I thought, as watching the game diddnt really notice him on much at all watching the game.

Clarkson poor stats but he did get decked by cross!!!

Ryan Bailey is a penalty machine dont ya know.

Bailey, great individual performance again. Hearty metres, work horse.

What about the hit on Mason - BOSH! Great milked grass shaging for a penalty too.

Form prop of Super League again?

TMFMISL

Bailey was very good. It was fun watching him follow Mason around, certainly goes against the grain of the 'third man in' routine of fans of other clubs. Here's hoping he can continue this form and good behaviour. Next week will be a big test for him and the rest of our forwards.

What the stats don't show is how slow our defensive line was and how weak we are in collusion.

Oh I think we colluded in our downfall extremely strongly.

JJB will run his blood to water for the cause!

On another note, did Hauraki pick up an injury? 17 minutes is very few considering we were getting battered in the forwards. One thing I will say about him is he isgetting caught out in defence. I thought this was even more obvious when he moved into prop. Not watched it back so may be wrong but that was the feeling at the game.

I am honestly a bit of a newbie to all these opta stats, I understand why jjb had a good game with the tackles etc. but can someone explain why Bailey's stats are getting praised so much? Looks v similar to other props in the game.

Indeed and then Mason gave him one back later on, proper rugby league

Thanks tvoc for the extra stat info – I appreciate it is yet more work but the reason I have been calling for the very useful interchange stats is it allows for a more balanced judgement on each’s performance with regard work rate /effort. Of course it doesn’t register the creative side of the game and but it can throw a different light on our initial impressions.

eg: Cross made 31 tackles in 38 minutes ie: 1 tackle every 1.22 minutes and a carry every 4.75 mins. If you add in missed tackles, this works out that he was physically involved every 57 secs.

JJB made a tackle every 1.89 mins and a carry every 1.89 mins so worts and all was involved every one minute and 28 secs But as this was for a longer period he should score extra marks

Buderus made a tackle every 2.14 mins a carry every 6 mins plus I guess getting up for most of the PTB’s and giving the distribution passes. If you said he was up for say half the PTBs then his active involvement would be every 26 secs!!!

Bailey made a tackle every 2.16 mins and a carry every 3.6 mins so he was involved every one minute and 19 secs

Kirke was involved every one minute 20 secs.

All these are very good IMO and these players deserve the credit.

Meanwhile if you look at Pitts - his effort was the pitts working only every 2 mins 50 secs.


Seniors stupid gaff gave them the all important momentum. However if you look at the interchange times with the introduction of Hauraki (for Bailey) and Pitts (for Ablett) and McShane ( for Buderus) IMO this was where we lost the game as it was about the time our defence fell about and is backed up by these bench players poor stats.

There are several posting that are calling for the coaches head because they are blaming a new attacking style of play. I really think that this is a wrong assessment of the situation.The problem is defence and not our attack.

Senior’s pass cannot be blamed on the coach. At the moment everything that Senior is doing is going wrong which has to do with a lack of form and a loss of pace and confidence and is not the coaches fault.

Other players too are letting the coach and themselves down. We are averaging 24 missed tackles per game and many of these have been one on one and have led to opposition tries. These are player errors and not tactical or coaching errors and this is costing us defeats.

With the limited number of players at his disposal because of injuries the coach has not had the luxury of dropping senior players and has had no choice but to keep playing a few who are out of form/fitness.

Last week against Wigan our defense was very sound for the first 65 minutes including the opening period when they threw the kitchen sink at us. We defended several back to backs on our line and then hit them with fast attacking play.

There was nothing wrong with our attacking style or defensive strategy. It was a slackening off when they were down to 12 men and allowing them to gain the vital momentum plus some shoddy defensive work that again is not the coaches fault.

Despite all this we have won one more game that at this time last year under Bluey and are only 5 points behind the leaders and have won as many games as the current Champions and this when we have key players still out and not firing on all cylinders yet.

So be patient, try and be positive and get off the coaches back.

Agreed, just what the game is about IMO. As is mentioned, RB did alright for someone that only bothers with third man in tackles etc etc.

Will we see a difference in the defence when Sinfield is back through the middle rather than on the fringes as he is now? Not saying it will be the end to all our problems but it's something small that may make a difference.

Someone mentioned the change in momentum when Bailey went off, I think there's something in that too. We seem far more solid with him on the field. Let's hope he keeps his current form and workrate up!

I like Bailey, big bloke puts himself about. Hard but fair i'd say?

Unfortunately it's only something I'll be looking to include when Leeds are featured on Sky though. Without the on-screen ticker bar updating (and even then you have to rewind to find the interchange taking place for the timing) it'd be too hit and miss and wouldn't be much use. That's why I've not tried to include it previously.

Leeds conceded the try on the next play though, so pretty useless really.

A bit like 'Big Sams' hit on Fuifui Moimoi for GB against NZ when he burst onto the scene a few years back, rendered it pointless really.

Sam's hit crossed my mind just after they had scored. Pretty similar circumstances wasnt it? It was good from a Bailey individual POV though.

That's not the point though is it?
The point is it shows perfectly that Bailey is not this mythical 3rd man in cheap shot coward and that he can match it with the perceived "hard men" of this game and when he "performs" he's a very good asset to the pack just ask Mary-sat-on-the-loo ,Morley and now Mason to name but 3 and also add the Hull pack that were gonna destroy him and us on so many occasions!!

Sinfield up there with our most penalised players yet again eh?!

It's easy to overlook the fact that he's a penalty machine on a regular basis!

Seven missed tackles from two forwards as well. Way too many - especially from Clarkson for whom tackling is supposed to be a strength.

13 carries from Kirke.

How many was the "alpha male" predicting he'd done again?

<snort>

Four?

That's pathetic compared to the outstanding Bailey's 15 carries.

<thumps chest 15 times & snaps 5 twigs off nearest hanging branch in mortified exasperation>

Like the twig snaping comment!!

Wrong, actually it was six.

<Gets all huffy that posters have caught on to his modus operandi and publicly, aggresively and noisly announces he's done with this forum (again) and never will return to it (again) whilst having massive hissy fit during his exit (yet again)>

Your latest territorial claim is noted.

I've left my scent. You like?