Ferres' actions were as calculated as Singletons. Neither of them may have foreseen the actual damage they were doing, but both had intent. You simply can't bend a player's neck that way without knowing its likely to cause extreme discomfort at best. To be supposedly ignorant of the potential risk is no excuse.

As an aside I can't recall a Leeds player getting a ban as long as 6 matches before two in one season.

Not really. Many, maybe most, posters had expressed their opinions before the extent of Gildart's injury was known (if indeed it is even now).

Unless I have overlooked it the nature or extent of gildarts injury has not been revealed.On sky last night it was mentioned it was a severe back injury.
Phil Clarkes injury as he mentioned was damage to c 4 disc this forced him to give up the game. If Gildart has damaged discs he may be out for longer than 3 months. Anyway good luck to the lad hope he recovers asap.

Since when was it allowed to smoke a fag during a game ! Brett Ferres appears to have been sin-binned for it in this pic.

Maybe it's an attempt to suppress his appetite?

That's actually a piece of Gildart's spine.

Nah, a fag's just a penalty. That's a spliff.

I thought Hardaker got a ban for using the former .

Confirmed pre-match last night on Sky Sports (they said it was four vertebrae), do you accept it now, or do you not believe them either?

Who confirmed it? Wigan or Sky Sports?

Same thing?

Absolutely nothing anywhere on the interwebs reporting this.

So no - i still don't believe it.

Not that it makes it any better (either the injury, or the resulting hyperbole speculation.)

Perhaps you need Uncle Gawy to send you an e-mail!!

If it's 4 broken vertebrae then it's a major injury. I would be surprised to see him play again this season. Doesn't seem to be much detailed information on view.
This is obviously leading to speculation by various posters. I sincerely hope that Wigan aren't indulging in a bit of dark art propaganda.

Reported by Gemma Brooks on sky sports before kick off.

Details please.

As I posted on page 3 (except I was told it was three) and my source is very close to the club and can be trusted.

If player and club have chosen not to release medical details, is it appropriate that a third party should?

I think you need to take a second look my friend. Even Ferries himself admits as much (although he tries to pass the buck on to Gildart which the disciplinary panel rightly rubbished!) The attempt to hurt was quite clear and intentional. I won't go so far as to say the intention was to injure however he must have realised that he was, at best, running the risk. Given the outcome, I can't really imagine a worse example of a crusher. He should have received the maximum ban for this offence.

I don't understand why anyone would try to defend Ferres at all.

Me either.

Keinhorst up before the beak tomorrow - presumably for the alleged chicken wing on Gidley I think.
Grade A & he has EGP available.
Maybe somebody could dig up Westwood's previous disciplinary record?

It was Clark and there was less than nothing in it.

Has Westerman been cited and or Sims?

No