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That was pretty scary.

I couldn't even tell you last weeks I'm afraid.



You've got no idea what you're dealing with here.





Assuming achieving both while playing for Leeds:

While Don Robinson and Lewis Jones were the only survivors from the '57 CC Final to Leeds' much awaited first Championship in '61 there was a lot of commonality between the '68 CC winners and Leeds next Championship in '69.

Bev Risman, Syd Hynes, Bernard Watson, John Atkinson, Mick Shoebottom, Barry Seabourne, Mick Clark, Tony Crosby, Ken Eyre, Bill Ramsey, Ray Batten, John Langley and Mick Joyce all doubled through.

In addition to those there was Leeds' next Championship team in '72 where Alan Smith added to his '68 CC medal and John Holmes, Les Dyl and Phil Cookson would go on to join the exclusive club with their own CC winners in '77.

Mick Joyce wasn't in the 68 CCF team

Thanks for that.

He was on the bench according to Ken Dalby's Headingley Story - Volume Two 1955-79 (Page 44)

I've double checked in Graham Morris & John Huxley's Wembley Magic and it does contradict the Headingley Story team-sheet with David Hick in place of Mick Joyce.

That being the case David Hick should replace Mick Joyce in the list above.

It was definitely Mick Joyce and not David Hick who was on the bench in the 68 Watersplash Final, largely because the big prop had scored a decisive try in a tough quarter-final at Oldham that year.

And Graham Eccles won a Championship Final in 72 and later added Cup winners medals from the 77 and 78 deciders at Wembley.

All 3 tries proved pretty decisive as Oldham manage a grand total of 0. Mick Joyce was also preferred on the bench to David Hick in the Semi Final V Wigan at Swinton as cover for Mick Clark who was nursing a hamstring injury.



He did indeed (as did David Ward) so thanks for that.

So, I'll try again:

57 CC - 61 CHP - Lewis Jones and Don Robinson

68 CC - 69 CHP - Bev Risman, Syd Hynes, Bernard Watson, John Atkinson, Mick Shoebottom, Barry Seabourne, Mick Clark, Tony Crosby, Ken Eyre, Bill Ramsey, Ray Batten, John Langley and Mick Joyce

72 CHP - 77 CC - Alan Smith, John Holmes, Les Dyl, David Ward, Graham Eccles and Phil Cookson

Now you know why this thread is approaching milestones rather than past ones.

When I said 'decisive' I really meant a rare and unusually long-distance touchdown for Mick Joyce. But, despite the 13-0 scoreline (from memory) it was a tough game in awful conditions, as it usually was at Watersheddings in those days.

I remember people saying things like 'Dave Hick's time will come again' when he was omitted for Joyce at Wembley - and it did....he was in the side hammered by Leigh at Wembley in 1971.

They said the same thing to Dave Heron, too, when he was omitted from the 77 Cup SF side that beat Saints 7-2 at Wigan, because he was due to play in a Colts international curtain-raiser that same day.

Heron, thus missed out on Wembley in 1977 and 1978, and must rank as one of the finest Leeds players never to grace the famous ground.

He was equally unlucky at international level, being thrust into the 1982 series against the greatest team of all-time, never to be sighted in a GB jersey again, despite being a class act throughout his lengthy career.

I would agree but IIRC Dave Heron was only just around the fringes those two Wembley winning seasons with first Stan Fearnley and then Mick Crane brought in for short spells to fill the loose forward role.



Dave Heron was a new type of loose forward and left most opposition backs in his wake. A Kevin Sinfield with pace, if you like.

And a fabulous moustache. Don;t forget that. It's a sadly lost part of our game.

On a related note, it was good to see Tansey reviving the headband on Friday. His had a very 'Zip Zap Rap!' look about it.

Louis Macarthy-Scarsbrook.



Jason Golden.

But he's about the only one.

Back in the day I'm sure you could get a pretty good world 13 of tached players.

Her's what I can think of, off the top of my head.

1. Ian Wilkinson
2. Carl Gibson
3. Gene Miles
4. Garry Schofield
5.
6. Cliff Lyons
7. Paul Harkin
8. Kevin Ward
9. Whichever Beardmore
10. Gene Miles
11.
12.
13. David Heron

Any suggestions for the missing, or changes?

Graeme Steadman for the wing berth?

Leeds first then (others)

1 - Ian Wilkinson (Harold Box)
2 - Andrew Smith (Andy Fletcher)
3 - Syd Hynes (John Joyner)
4 - Les Dyl (John Gilbert)
5 - Neil Hague (Stuart Wright)
6 - John Holmes (Steve Hartley)
7 - Kevin Dick (Steve Nash)
8 - Mick Harrison (Mick Gibbons)
9 - Tony Fisher (David Watkinson)
10 - Roy Dickinson (Brian Lockwood)
11 - Bill Ramsey (Bob Eccles)
12 - Bob Haigh (Phil Hogan)
13 - Ray Batten (Dave Heron at Bradford)

Coach: Marice Bamford (Alex Murphy)

Edit: Leeds wingers.... sort of and a couple of coaches added for good measure.

I wasn't suggesting Heron would have been in the Wembley starting line-up - obviously Fearnley and Crane were established at loose-forward - but he might well have won a place on the sub's bench ahead of Roy Dickinson as he did in earlier rounds.

He made a sensational entry to the Leeds team - scoring tries in his first two games on one weekend at Castleford (Fri) and Bradford (Sun) - and, as you say, was a new type of loose-forward with pace to burn.

Very unlucky not to skipper Leeds at Wembley in 1986 after Peter Fox's side was robbed by Hull KR in the drawn semi-final at Elland Road - oh for a video referee that day as winger David Laws virtually threw the ball over the line !!!

Heron scored some of the finest long-distance tries I've seen from a Leeds forward. And he was still playing for Bramley after turning 40.

Regarding the 'team of taches' how about Eric Grothe on one wing and Tonie Carroll at centre with Les Dyl on the wing ?

Or just go for Grothe and Tony Currie on the flanks.

Which would have been a shame missing out on the 'Dicko' strut out of the Wembley tunnel. Dave Heron's inclusion on the bench would have been useful in '77 with Stan Fearnley's shoulder going through it's oft repeated dislocation routine.



Leeds' inability to control a 12 man Rovers and needing a comeback of their own to secure the draw didn't help either.



He also scored the best disallowed try I ever saw. While Graham Eccles and Trevor Skerrett were busy with their introductions Heron was left to weave his way past several defenders (some of them twice) on a mazy run to the line over 70 odd yards. Pity it had to be chalked off with the double sending off.



I did consider working Neil Hague in there somewhere but the Hynes - Dyl combo tach was an awesome sight.

I was deliberately going/hoping for all British line ups though.

Do beards count??

It's a good question.

GCH is the judge (and given his facial hair I wouldn't dare prejudge the outcome) but personally speaking there should be no place for full sets in this category which for me excludes Neil Hunt, Eric Grothe, Andy Hay and JJB from consideration.

What about Andy 'Rambo' Smith from the mid-80s ?

It's time to de-mob, you're not in the Navy now.



It's a shout but you'll have to put him in as I couldn't possibly.....

......Alright go on then.

Leeds first then (others) (Aussie - Kiwi guest select)

1 - Ian Wilkinson (Harold Box) (Graham Eadie)
2 - Andrew Smith (Andy Fletcher) (Ahhhhh still can't think, Gary Prohm)
3 - Syd Hynes (John Joyner) (James Leuluai)
4 - Les Dyl (John Gilbert) (Tony Currie)
5 - Neil Hague (Stuart Wright) (Ahhhhh still can't think, Brett Kenny)
6 - John Holmes (Steve Hartley) (Wally Lewis)
7 - Kevin Dick (Steve Nash) (Cliff Lyons)
8 - Mick Harrison (Mick Gibbons) (Kurt Sorenson)
9 - Tony Fisher (David Watkinson) (Fred Ah Kuoi, no hooker but magnificent upper lip furniture)
10 - Roy Dickinson (Brian Lockwood) (Kevin Tamati)
11 - Bill Ramsey (Len Casey) (Mark Broadhurst)
12 - Bob Haigh (Phil Hogan) (Wally Fullerton-Smith)
13 - Ray Batten (Dave Heron at Bradford) (Gavin Miller)

Coach: Maurice Bamford (Alex Murphy) (Shaun McRae)

Well tonight's the night if he plays his cards right.

SL Regular Round Appearances for Leeds

1 - Kevin Sinfield 248
2 - Keith Senior 233
3 - Barrie McDermott 219
4 - Francis Cummins 217
5 - Rob Burrow 198
6 - Matt Diskin 167
7 - Chev Walker 152
8 - Danny McGuire 150
9 - Ryan Bailey 143
10 - Jamie Jones-Buchanan 138
11 - Andy Hay 130
12 - Willie Poching 122
13 - Ryan Sheridan 120
14 - Mark Calderwood 118
15 - Anthony Farrell 113
16 - Iestyn Harris 110
17 - Danny Ward 109
18 - Jamie Mathiou 107
19 - Ali Lauitiiti 103
20 - Adrian Morley 101
=21 - Gareth Ellis 99
=21 - Darren Fleary 99

SL Regular Round Starts for Leeds

1 - Keith Senior 232
2 - Kevin Sinfield 224
3 - Francis Cummins 204
4 - Barrie McDermott 154
5 - Matt Diskin 152
6 - Rob Burrow 137
7 - Chev Walker 133
8 - Danny McGuire 119
9 - Ryan Sheridan 113
10 - Mark Calderwood 109
11 - Andy Hay 107
12 - Iestyn Harris 103
13 - Ryan Bailey 101
14 - Gareth Ellis 99

Kevin Sinfield is closing in on becoming only the second player to score 2000 points for Leeds.

His current Leeds figures stand at: Played 274 + 27, Tries 56, Goals 866, Drop Goals 18, Points 1,974.

Last week Sean Long became the second player of the SL Era to kick 100 (2 point) goals V Leeds. The first was Andy Farrell and he still tops the list on 107, 2nd is now Sean Long 100, while Paul Deacon is third on 99.



Now he's at: Played 276 + 27, Tries 57, Goals 870, Drop Goals 18, Points 1,986.

Sinfield also needs 4 points to become the first Leeds player to score 100 in the SL Play Offs.

Leeds' individual SL Play Off records:

Most Appearances: Sinfield 18 (17+1), Senior 17 (17+0), Burrow 15 (10+5), Diskin 15 (13+2)
Most Tries: Cummins 9, McGuire 8, Burrow 6, Senior 5
Most Goals: Sinfeld 42, Harris 22, Burrow 6
Most Drop Goals: Sinfield 4, Burrow 1, Powell 1
Most Points: Sinfield 96, Harris 48, Burrow 37

Leeds require 17 points for 1,000 V Wigan in the SL Era (All Comps)
Wigan require 10 points for 1,000 V Leeds in the SL Era (All Comps)

Leeds' record V Wigan at Headingley SL Era (All Comps):

Played 23, Won 10, Drawn 2, Lost 11, Pts For 593, Pts Agst 487 (Avg Score 26-21)

The average score when Leeds and Wigan meet in the Play-offs (SL Era inc Premiership Comp) 21-21

It's all a bit random I know but finally:

Leeds need 3 points to register a 1,000 (All Comps) for the 6th time in the SL Era.

Best of the best it was.

Why did we win in the Falklands? Just look a the top lips of 2 and 3 Para.

All Competitive Fixtures:

Scott Donald played his 100th game for Leeds at Hull KR last Friday, becoming the 25th player to do so in the SL Era. It was also his 100th start for Leeds becoming the 19 player to do so in the SL Era.

Danny McGuire needs 11 points to move into 4th on the Leeds points scorer list of the SL Era.

1 - Kevin Sinfield 2015
2 - Iestyn Harris 1455
3 - Bob Burrow 720
4 - Francis Cummins 612
5 - Danny McGuire 602

SL Regular Rounds:

Rob Burrow's next SL Appearance will be his 200th for Leeds and he will become the 5th player to reach the mark in the SL Era.

1 - Kevin Sinfield 251
2 - Keith Senior 236
3 - Barrie McDermott 219
4 - Francis Cummins 217
5 - Rob Burrow 199