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| Quote ="Clearwing"The alternative being that providing a player fakes injury following a foul it's then ok to deliver a kick to someone's face? It's only a matter of time before all the players are doing it.
FWIW I think Hicks dealt with it fairly well. Hand on heart, how many on here appreciated how serious McGuire's injury was at the time?'"
To be honest that's kind of the point I'm making. The seriousness of the injury is irrelevant. Hicks knew what Sneyd was doing he knew he was applying pressure and twisting the joint, he knows that is likely to cause pain and is dangerous. It's not a great leap of faith to understand why McGuire reacted as he did injury or none at all
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Well enlighten us then, why were they not his fault? clear as day the first try, and he didn't do his job for the Houghton one.
.'" No need. As I have said, even if they were, he still did enough, in my opinion, to be the best player on the field. So why have a needless debate?
Quote Oh, and by the way, I also thought he got it down. However, it was a poor effort to leave it with any doubt whatsoever. And not the effort of the best player'" If he got it down, as you and I thought, it was a poor effort by the poor referee. Ablett's job is to ground the ball. We both think he did. There's no extra style points for how he does it. The referee's job and that of his helpers, is to make the right call. IF the ref was right and you and I were wrong maybe it was just a fantastic effort by their full back after what was a superb break by Ablett. Why is it that because the we think the referee didn't see the grounding that detracts from Ablett's display? |
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Sneyd up on a grade D dangerous contact charge. If found guilty 3-5 match ban
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I don't want it to get lost in the wash but a 10.27 average carry for a back rower is very impressive. better than Hardakers average who, of course, has the luxury of his kick returns.
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| Quote ="G1"I don't want it to get lost in the wash but a 10.27 average carry for a back rower is very impressive. better than Hardakers average who, of course, has the luxury of his kick returns.'"
Best metres per carry of any player from either side, and a defensive effort only beaten by the respective starting hookers.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Best metres per carry of any player from either side, and a defensive effort only beaten by the respective starting hookers.
Another 50-tackle effort from Houghton, he really is turning into the new Malcolm Alker.'"
Does that most weeks, has been excellent in recent weeks, I'm glad the reported interest from Leeds came to nothing, such an important and underrated player for us.
Ablett is the most underrated player (by non Leeds fans) than any other player in the league IMO, always plays well against us.
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Ablett moved the ball to his right side which is where the defender was coming from. For the life of me I can't see why he didn't fend with the right and ground with the left
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| Quote ="cheekydiddles"Sneyd up on a grade D dangerous contact charge. If found guilty 3-5 match ban'"
When is the punishment going to fit the crime?
At best mags has some sprained ligaments which is what, a min of 2 - 4 weeks. At worst it's a serious ligament injury or broken which is possibly the end of his season.
IF guilty sneyd will get max 5 matches. Hardly seems just if mags injury is serious. Smacks of the Ferres incident earlier in the season.
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| Quote ="Fallon"When is the punishment going to fit the crime?
At best mags has some sprained ligaments which is what, a min of 2 - 4 weeks. At worst it's a serious ligament injury or broken which is possibly the end of his season.
IF guilty sneyd will get max 5 matches. Hardly seems just if mags injury is serious. Smacks of the Ferres incident earlier in the season.
If the rfl seriously want to stamp out the truly nasty stuff that happens very occasionally (thankfully) the punishment must, as a minimum last as long as the injury does.'"
I agree...at least as long. If pre-meditated or without excuse (as this was) then even if it's a career ending injury the rule should apply: might make the possibilities of it happening again that little less likely . |
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| Quote ="tad rhino"Ablett moved the ball to his right side which is where the defender was coming from. For the life of me I can't see why he didn't fend with the right and ground with the left'"
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| Quote ="tad rhino"Ablett moved the ball to his right side which is where the defender was coming from. For the life of me I can't see why he didn't fend with the right and ground with the left'"
Sorry Tad but I beg to differ. Ablett took the ball and was always carrying it in his right hand. As he approached the line Shaul was converging so Ablett switched the ball to his left hand and fended off with his right. Shaul made an excellent job of turning Ablett as he was trying to fend off and he managed to pull him on top and stop him grounding. Good play from a promising fullback.
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"Sorry Tad but I beg to differ. Ablett took the ball and was always carrying it in his right hand. As he approached the line Shaul was converging so Ablett switched the ball to his left hand and fended off with his right. Shaul made an excellent job of turning Ablett as he was trying to fend off and he managed to pull him on top and stop him grounding. Good play from a promising fullback.
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only saw it from ground level so i'll look on tv. either way I thought he should have done better
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| Quote ="Fallon"When is the punishment going to fit the crime?
At best mags has some sprained ligaments which is what, a min of 2 - 4 weeks. At worst it's a serious ligament injury or broken which is possibly the end of his season.
IF guilty sneyd will get max 5 matches. Hardly seems just if mags injury is serious. Smacks of the Ferres incident earlier in the season.
If the rfl seriously want to stamp out the truly nasty stuff that happens very occasionally (thankfully) the punishment must, as a minimum last as long as the injury does.'"
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Spitting= 4 games
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| Quote ="Omar Little"Potty mouth= 5 games
Spitting= 4 games
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The results of the scans show that the injury might not be as bad as initially thought.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Has he broken it?'"
Seems not actually, tho still awaiting scan result...
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https://audioboom.com/boos/3304979-rlon ... s#t=17m35s
Hicks version of events, skip to the 18:00 minute mark
General jist being having now seen footage of it he admits that their's 2 twists by Sneyd but at the time and with his positioning (obviously the footage is from a South Stand view point and he was the opposite side to that and Sneyd's roll is towards the South Stand) he only see's the first one and then see's McGuire kick out. Seems like McGuire's dissent/complaining earlier in the game has made Hicks feel he's lashing out and being a bit petulant and not because the ankle was still being twisted for a second time. Admits he could've taken more thought on McGuire being hurt and that binning him was wrong in hindsight of the footage. Still says Sneyd would be a binning but very close to being a red.
Fair enough I suppose. I did wonder how well he will have spotted it at normal time from his angle (and people in the crowd have the benefit of standing still, he's sprinting upfield on a broken field play). Also for saying his treatment of McGuire was harsh (but does go to show that getting in the refs ear consistently can cost you at times). Don't agree that he thinks Sneyd should still be a yellow after now knowing that their was a 2nd twist but maybe he wants to be a bit cautious with his words with the disciplinary still to decide on it.
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Hicks version of events, skip to the 18:00 minute mark
General jist being having now seen footage of it he admits that their's 2 twists by Sneyd but at the time and with his positioning (obviously the footage is from a South Stand view point and he was the opposite side to that and Sneyd's roll is towards the South Stand) he only see's the first one and then see's McGuire kick out. Seems like McGuire's dissent/complaining earlier in the game has made Hicks feel he's lashing out and being a bit petulant and not because the ankle was still being twisted for a second time. Admits he could've taken more thought on McGuire being hurt and that binning him was wrong in hindsight of the footage. Still says Sneyd would be a binning but very close to being a red.
Fair enough I suppose. I did wonder how well he will have spotted it at normal time from his angle (and people in the crowd have the benefit of standing still, he's sprinting upfield on a broken field play). Also for saying his treatment of McGuire was harsh (but does go to show that getting in the refs ear consistently can cost you at times). Don't agree that he thinks Sneyd should still be a yellow after now knowing that their was a 2nd twist but maybe he wants to be a bit cautious with his words with the disciplinary still to decide on it.
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| Quote ="Fallon"If the rfl seriously want to stamp out the truly nasty stuff that happens very occasionally (thankfully) the punishment must, as a minimum last as long as the injury does.'"
If this sort of stuff only happens very occasionally there are reasons for that. The procedures are in place for dealing with events rationally. What if McGuire is only out for a week, a one week ban seems inappropriate? |
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| Quote ="tad rhino"Ablett moved the ball to his right side which is where the defender was coming from. For the life of me I can't see why he didn't fend with the right and ground with the left'"
I think he tried to IIRC, but he switched the ball too late. |
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Only seen highlights the Houghton and Thompson tries were p!$$ poor defence imo but on the plus side some our ball movement for our tries was sublime and great to see Keinhorst playing well.
Onto the Sneyd incident for me if you are going to twist a players ankle and roll on it as he did the least you should expect is a kick in the teeth imo.
I also think it's worse than what Chase did there is a big difference between holding down and what that little sh## did so for me it should be 8/10 games irrespective of the injury Mags sustained.
Onto Hicks for me it's a cop out he indicates the reason for the pen as a twist that alone should be a red how can it be a YC when you get that for delaying a restart? also who was the TJ on that side was it Child?
The bigger picture for me is that the RFL need to get a grip of their officials and disciplinary procedures bot are holding the game back and effecting the outcome of matches far too much imo.
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For the view from down under see this:
rugbyleagueweek.com.au/grubby-ta ... ken-ankle/
It's clear what their take on it is from the headline.
Hull fans take note.
Re McGuire's sinbinning, Hicks' comments reinforce my thoughts on it as posted yesterday i.e. McGuire's constant chelping got to Hicks.
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rugbyleagueweek.com.au/grubby-ta ... ken-ankle/
It's clear what their take on it is from the headline.
Hull fans take note.
Re McGuire's sinbinning, Hicks' comments reinforce my thoughts on it as posted yesterday i.e. McGuire's constant chelping got to Hicks.
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Sneyd charged with a grade D offence, so not seen as being as bad as the Chase incident.
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McGuire's kick out reaction was fair enough.
Abletts's immediate reaction as well tells the story of how he interpreted it.
Someone just needs to get it through to cod heads.
Sa talking about Fridays game as 'karma' no doubt brain dead Radford will be instilling that as a pump up to his players. but we know how that works out in his case.
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