Defence at this level is surely a matter of the players' attitude... Or are Cas simply that good?

We took a pasting or two in the past before the real stuff began and turned it on no reason not to believe we wont after this. Always felt this was going to be a comfortable Cas win.

Regards the coach, i think most of us agree its time for change regardless but thats another debate.

again I agree we can still win the title.its a one off game. however when we've done it before we never had an ageing set of forwards like we have now. too many are leaden footed and unable to handle quick movement of ball and opposition players. i'm not knocking effort, all give it everything, but sadly time has simply caught up with them. we don't have the calming influence of a sinfield type player either. nobody knows how to kill a game to get a breather. it happened in the SF and its happening tonight again.
worryingly we haven't come up with a plan to stop cas either. and it's not as if they do anything new. they have pace and movement all over the field. we, like others, simply can't deal with it

Credit to them for regaining some respectability in the 2nd half. Hull look good to make the GF lots of character arter a very questionable red card.

Wow last time i looked hull were losing 20-6. What an almighty scrap for 4th this next 2 weeks.if salford win,2 points seperate 4 teams with all 4 playing each other on the last day.

Mockers!

Wembley, backing up to play us 5 days later, injuries and suspensions and now playing with 12 men most of tonight. Hull won't have enough left in the tank come playoffs. What they've put in effort wise since Wembley admirable, but it's going to catch up with them.

Had echoes of our game against saints in 2014. The cc still hasn't taken its toll on them. It will now.

Well spank me hard and call me Barbara.....

Cas have become what the Bulls were to us in the late 90's/early 00's. Seems like we now have to suffer obligatory humiliation every time we play them. Have our players developed a mental block where Cas are concerned.
Men and boys at the moment, I'm afraid.

Rope-a-dope....waiting for OT for the ultimate haymaker

Evening Barbara
I'll leave it to Cas to keep handing out the spankings.

They're just better. Simple as that.

Yet Leeds are still going to win the GF, people will get very upset including some Leeds fans who wrote them off, the health of RL will be questioned because of it, your latest alias William will do a vanishing act.....and the cosmic ballet will go on.

If they do I promise to spank you Barbara.

Of course they are. Mags & Bob are going to roll back the years and your unyielding fawning of grizzly Bri is going to crank up several notches.

Did you copy and paste that from when you wrote that in 2011 or 2012 or 2015? Will you stick around this time when it happens?

I wrote Leeds off and tipped Warrington to take out the LLS and GF. How about yourself?

Couldn't care less if Leeds prove me wrong (I'll get over it) but honestly I've seen precious little to make me think silverwear is a realistic possibility anytime soon yet sport by it's very nature is unpredictable until it's all over.

Such a shame, we have played Cas 4 times this year and not done ourselves justice once, worry now is it seems we have a mental block when we play Cas that is causing us to commit so many schoolboy errors.

Why would any Leeds be upset if we won a GF?

Leeds can still win the grand final but I think we need Moon and Ferres both to be fit.

As scrappier match as you can see. Cas missed tackles their worst of the year by a significant margin, and Leeds added yet another notch to their plus 40 missed tackles stats. More knock ons than anyone wants to see.

Top two, and looked more like shield level. For any Leeds player, fan, or coach to take any ounce of something to work on from that, they must be high. But to be fair the same could be said of Cas, who but for momentum on attack and keeping hold of ball for 20 minutes, looked anything but the top team.

I am at a loss how a so called top coach can coach a team team to be beaten so easily so many times on the trot through the exact same tactics of the opposition. Our right hand side every time against us they run at us and tear us apart. How many games on trot.

End of 2019 season then if you expect Ferres ever to be fit

Lots of changes needed come the close season but I doubt the faces that do cone and go to be enough to really compete. I still wouldn't bet my house on Cas bringing home the GF BUT would almost feel guilty if we pulled a rabbit out of the hat & beat them after how they've outclassed us, & the rest of SL this year... I'd get over the guilt tho!!

Agree with gotcha , when cas got on a roll in first half they played some great stuff and played the ball far too fast for Leeds to handle, however some dodgy defence, in particular the JJB try and hardaker limping off will give Powell a few headaches.

Playing Wigan and hull in last 2 games is also a tricky dilemma. IMO both are a bigger threat than Leeds. Will Powell be all out for the Win or rest a few.

I won't fully write off Leeds but think they may need someone to do a Ben flower to win it.