Well can't be bothered reading the rest after this post from a person who is probably still sat in his jim-jams with a can of special brew in his hand.... And i can bet that if it had "kicked off", a keyboard warrior like yourself would have been the first to run away to hide....

Thanks to all the leeds fans that were there for a cracking day. Glad that your players put in a performance for once this season.... Good luck next year...

While you, on the other hand are a full on chunky monkey macho man who'll bop nasty people right on their jolly nose.

Grow up.

Where did i say i would.....? Your esteemed fellow fan refered to someone in a very ungracious tone... And it was he who suggested that something might "kick off".... From his sofa somewhere in the Leeds conurbation....

Incidently i was there, and the Leeds fans i met and talked with were all quite charming.... Unlike the aforementioned oik...

What a shame it came down to this.

hhmm

not read all the pages on this thread , just the first 2 and a few questions pop up for me .......

the common theme is that he is a horrible human being .. how do you all know ? do you know what he does outside of the game ?


anybody who has actually played any sport at a decent level will know just how some people change when they cross the white line . ive played various sports with some of the nicest people , off the feild , you could ever possibly meet , some wouldnt say boo to a goose , get them on the pitch and they think absolutley nothing of trying to decapitiate the opponent . does this make them horrible human beings ???


get a grip , most , if not all would have tomkins in there team given the chance

the attitude on the pitch is what makes some players stand out at the highest level


yes the 'bird' was a stupid thing to do , but lets remember the stick he gets , the lad is still a youngster , petulant is probably the word . i just see some people over reacting to this situation .

the 'bad example' he has so called set ? really ??
late tackles , speaking out of turn to the ref .......... i could go on

it was a highly charged atmosphere , lots of emotion flying about and nobody was hurt

just take a deep breath

As I pointed out, it isn't hypocrytical because the actions of each party do not have the same ramifications, you do understand that don't you? Oh, and, in any event, you weren't trying to highlight any hypocracy you were simply trying to justify the actions of the subject of your affection.

What your fans throw at McGuire and Bailey goes way beyond "dislike" and you know it. Now, your lack of an issue with that situation is hypocritical.

I'd love to know the basis of your assumption that the people booing Tomkins were Leeds fans. I was at the Exiles game and the only people I saw booing were Hull fans, although I don't doubt there were some Leeds fans behaving in that manner. The point is that fans can act irresponsibly to some extent and it does little or no damage to anyone.

Now jog on kn0b jockey (and yes I will admit to some immaturity over that phrase because, my ability to see faults is not one way).

Absolutely agree with you, right up to the point where you try to make excuses for him. He is a professional sports person and what he did is unacceptable, although you are right, it makes him an idiot, not the devil in carnate.

You're missing the point here - the last tackles, speaking out of turn to the ref etc. are part of the game and part of the game that we have all leant to accept. We may not like these things but we see them week in, week out and don't really show a blatant disrespect for the opposition support.

Rat Boy over-stepped the mark by some considerable distance by flicking the V's at the Leeds fans.

dont condone it , never tried to make excuses , unless you consider the bits about emotion etc excuses ??

not missing the point at all , im just saying there is a massive over reaction to a childish act

the things we see week in week out you talk off , are they acceptable ?

lets be honest , most leeds fans at the game wouldnt even have seen the 2 fingers would they ??

yes he overstepped the mark i agree , but talk of bans from club and internationals is just stupid

As I said on the other thread re this incident, it's the down side of a precocious young rugby league talent. What he does need is for his coach or an experienced head at Wigan to take him on one side, have a word, tell him to calm down and dont let the arrogant petulance overtake the obvious talent he has. What he did was stupid, but it was done in the emotion of the moment, but the fact that it was seen on national television apparently wont have done him any favours. Sam Tomkins is a talent but I hope the other side of his character is not going to spoil his bright future in the game.

You're comparing two things that shouldn't be compared - what happens in a game when players push the boundaries shouldn't be compared to a player blatantly disrespecting the opposition supporters.

The kind of behaviour that Rat Boy showed was not done in an attempt to sway the ref or get the upper hand during the game and therefore should be dealt with outside the normal disciplinary procedure.

it can only be dealt with by the DC if there are guidlines / rules / laws allready in place

as i said , it was a stupid and petulant thing to do , nothing any fan wants to see any player doing

but as i said , there is a MASSIVE over reaction

I don't think this thread would be half as long as it is, if certain kn0b jockies

didn't come on here trying to justify his actions.

or people who dont read oppo fans posts properly?

I wasn't referring to you but, if you insist, what exactly are trying to say here, if you are not making excuses?

I dont think anyone is particularly condoning his actions, what he did was stupid, petulant, but done in the emotion of the moment. I'm a Rhino fan for gawds sake, sat at the end which was the subject of Tomkins's gesture, but I am not wishing to see a witchhunt against him for this. As I said earlier, he needs a word in his ear to tell him to calm down, and if the RFL wish to take action then so be it. None of this detracts from him being a talent, and if the other stuff can be curbed then hopefully that is what we will be talking about in future!
And all of this is detracting from what was afterall a lively well contested Cup Final!

My "brain dead poop" was in response to the barrage of brain dead threads belitling the acheivments of a superb Wigan side. I have praised Leeds on their outstanding performance in several threads and in my conversations in real life. In short, I treated the idiotic threads with the contempt that they deserve. Your deletions and public critisism has bolstered my point. Cheers.

Now why would I justify something I don't agree with? Oops, not thought this one through have you Ronzy, far too quick to present the argument you had in mind all along regardless of what people are actually saying.

Anyway, I do happen to consider it hypocritical to condemn Sam Tomkins for flicking the Vs whilst trying to valorise the abuse he receives from fans. And the assertion that booing an England international or openly calling for harm to be done to him has no effect on the game's reputation or the young players and fans involved in it is, to be [ivery[/i kind, disingenuous.


Classy. Now run along, and don't forget to impress your mates at school by telling them you learned a new swear word and used it to a grown-up!

Posting "haha" thirty or forty times in one post and then repeating over five other posts on three threads may pass for intellectual commentary in Hicksville Lancashire but around these parts it qualifies as "Special", as in

Fairly sensible post. Let's not overreact here and demonise the kid. After all, he probably wasn't looting Manchester city centre like a lot of his contemporaries the other week.

I think you'll find that the bans have been talked about for his abuse of match officials .... But hey, don't let misreading posts get in the way, eh ?

I don't disagree with that. However, I do take issue with people trying to chuck paleatives around, there is no justification for acting like an idiot. For the sake of the game, I sincerely hope he grows up and matches his talent with some class.

Well on that we can certainly agree.

So, what you are saying is that you listed a number issues concerning abuse, provocation and prejudice to reaffirm your crusade to wipe out hypocracy that isn't hypocracy? Of course you did darling.

Your consultation with the Oxford English in the drafting your long thought out response is duly noted, although the only person trying to talk up the abuse was you ("ascribe value" is the definition of the word you used and I didn't need a dictionary to tell you that - the wonders of classical education). Regretfully, as you have pointed out already, the benifits of that education stop at the knowledge but, I can learn manners, you'll struggle to improve your IQ.

Another thing, which do you think does the game more harm - a bunch of morons booing a player or the same player abusing a group of fans for their percieved part in that wrong on national TV? Now think very carefuilly now because, I feel that you may get there in the end.

I can tell you're having difficulty so, perhaps you would like to join me at school tomorrow? Oh, its the still the school holidays, so there'll be no bggery (inset the U where you see fit) for you this time.