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| Quote ="MattyLeeds"What about when you come to HQ and we put 50 past you?
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Don't encourage him and he'll, hopefully, not post on this subject again.
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| Quote ="jungle man"I take it Hardaker will miss the next 2 weeks as he should if he was "out cold"??
Hmmmm let's see hey!!!!'"
The RFL's rules for dealing with head injuries and concussions have moved on. You would do well to join them.
We're all in the 21st century, by the way. Follow the signs for the 20th and keep going.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"The RFL's rules for dealing with head injuries and concussions have moved on. You would do well to join them.
We're all in the 21st century, by the way. Follow the signs for the 20th and keep going.'"
Is it one game he'll be missing then ?
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"You implying he feigned injury?'"
Not for one minute and glad that he has recovered.
More the fact that the lad is still a little confused as he seemed to have a problem distinguishing between an elbow and a shoulder, based on his Tweeter comments.
Any way Rangi has been hung drawn and quartered now so let's all move on shall we...
Oh - Ben Cross one game ban!! Joke
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| Quote ="MattyLeeds"Have fun getting beat by Bradford
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Now you don't need to be worrying about that cocka.... we'll be just fine.
Last week makes it all the sweeter!!!
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| I can fully understand why the NRL have banned the shoulder charge - if badly executed, a misplaced shoulder could make contact with a players head and, with all the extra blood they’ve had pumped into them their heads could explode.
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"Is it one game he'll be missing then ?'"
My understanding is that the players all have to sit a mandatory cognitive test during pre-season which gives a baseline score. After a concussion the player involved has to re-sit the test and will only be cleared to play once their result is comparable to their baseline mark.
So it's not a specific number of games as such. It depends on the recovery of the player involved.
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| I dont think the fans will all agree that he hit him high, when i watched the game again and re-assessed the tackle whether we like it or not over hear, we see what we wanted to see, at the time for me it was a good hit, a week later watching the DVD when the glasses come off, he co-pt the chin......
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| Quote ="jungle man"Not for one minute and glad that he has recovered.
More the fact that the lad is still a little confused as he seemed to have a problem distinguishing between an elbow and a shoulder, based on his Tweeter comments.
Any way Rangi has been hung drawn and quartered now so let's all move on shall we...
Oh - Ben Cross one game ban!! Joke'"
If Rangi Chase (or any other pro RL player) hit me on the chin with either elbow or shoulder I don't reckon I'd know what had hit me either!
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| Quote ="jungle man"Oh - Ben Cross one game ban!! Joke'"
He's a liability.
Technically awful etc.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"He's a liability.
Technically awful etc.'"
Say what you will about cross but he makes a cracking labourer on the building sites
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| Quote ="William Eve"I'm sure the shoulder charge will be banned now that Leeds Rhinos and their irate fans suddenly don't like it.'"
Looks like you were bang on AP. The power of the Leeds Prevails.
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| Common sense prevails.
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| Was Rangi the last professional RL player to perform the now out dated shoulder charge tackle and thus get banned in the process for it?
How will Castleford and England now go about the task of teaching Rangi to tackle legitimately?
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| You can guarantee somebody will forget the ban in the heat of the moment. SBW got sinbinned for a shoulder charge whilst playing for the All Blacks just last year, in a sport where it hasn't been allowed the whole time he was playing.
I remember complaining about SBW's 'hit' on Bai in 2005 (and mostly getting shouted down). Maybe the RFL has finally reacted to my postings from back then?
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"I remember complaining about SBW's 'hit' on Bai in 2005 (and mostly getting shouted down). Maybe the RFL has finally reacted to my postings from back then?'"
You and me both - that was a blatant shoulder charge to the head of the ball carrier in the same way as Chase's was on Hardaker.
Those who lauded it at the time as a "big hit" were wrong then, and remain so.
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| A shoulder charge that made contact with the head of an opponent wasn't illegal in 2005 - a point that was emphasized in 2009 when Bailey planted one on Fa'asavalu which led to Mick Potter pointing out the apparent inconsistency in relation to such contact.
I agreed with Mick Potter then. There has since been a shift in how such challenges are viewed.
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| Quote ="tvoc"A shoulder charge that made contact with the head of an opponent wasn't illegal in 2005 - a point that was emphasized in 2009 when Bailey planted one on Fa'asavalu which led to Mick Potter pointing out the apparent inconsistency in relation to such contact.
I agreed with Mick Potter then. There has since been a shift in how such challenges are viewed.'"
Potters hour long presentation on the matter, in that hearing, was lovely.
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| Quote ="The Biffs Back"Was Rangi the last professional RL player to perform the now out dated shoulder charge tackle and thus get banned in the process for it?'"
Only time will tell but I'd imagine others will still be banned for making legitimate attempts that for one reason or another end with one player's head meeting another player's shoulder.
Con Mika for Hull KR V Widnes (while Chase was serving the 1st game of his ban) pulled off some absolute beauties.
If for no other reason Mika will now forever have a place in my heart.
The game that I originally fell in love with as a teen has all but gone now being replaced by an almost sterile, who gives a flying f**k version. Prop forwards getting sent off with less than 30 seconds to go for nothing more than handbags (and pretty poor ones at that) is about as big an over-reaction as you are ever likely to see.
If that's going to be the norm from now on it's probably time to pass the baton down - will there be anyone interested in picking it up though?
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| If slotting people on the head with the shoulder is "the game you loved", then thankfully things have changed for the better.
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| What percentage of shoulder charges made contact with an opponent's head?
Making contact with an opponent's head is covered by the laws and it's the job of the referee and disciplinary panel to punish bad technique where it exists. If they applied appropriate sanctions then perhaps the spectacle of huge collisions could be preserved instead of being consigned to an historical footnote.
If every punch thrown is now going to result in an automatic send off as appeared to be the case at Salford yesterday then it's no longer rugby and the spectacle of players rolling around the floor feigning injury is only a matter of time.
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| Quote ="tvoc"
If every punch thrown is now going to result in an automatic send off as appeared to be the case at Salford yesterday then it's no longer rugby and the spectacle of players rolling around the floor feigning injury is only a matter of time.'"
When was throwing punches every rugby?
Maybe you would prefer boxing?
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| In the game? no. Part of the game? yes.
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| Quote ="G1"When was throwing punches every rugby?'"
It's always been a part of the sport on the occasions when the need arises. Let's say your full-back gets king-hit around the head, would you condemn your pack of forwards if they sought immediate retribution .... indeed weren't you disappointed when the Leeds pack allowed an opposition stand-off get away with such a challenge while highlighting the different approach taken by the St Helens pack.
Quote ="G1"Maybe you would prefer boxing?'"
I don't mind boxing. I have an immense amount of admiration for anyone who dedicates their life to a noble art and is willing to put themselves to the ultimate test but it's appeal is somewhat limited.
There's already a sanitised version of rugby, it's called Union and to me it's a pale immitation of the game it could be, that game is League but it appears it may be on a path that leads to emasculation.
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| Quote ="tvoc"It's always been a part of the sport on the occasions when the need arises. Let's say your full-back gets king-hit around the head, would you condemn your pack of forwards if they sought immediate retribution .... indeed weren't you disappointed when the Leeds pack allowed an opposition stand-off get away with such a challenge while highlighting the different approach taken by the St Helens pack.
I don't mind boxing. I have an immense amount of admiration for anyone who dedicates their life to a noble art and is willing to put themselves to the ultimate test but it's appeal is somewhat limited.
There's already a sanitised version of rugby, it's called Union and to me it's a pale immitation of the game it could be, that game is League but it appears it may be on a path that leads to emasculation.'"
I don't mind playing devil's advocate and poking a stick at you usually but I'll drop this one. You're right.
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