You might be, I'm not. Not really any need for the abuse to be honest was there?

As for dipstick, see bold.

GUFFAW



..........and lost on one play. Not forgetting one of our most consistent players having a brain fart.

What was your point again?



Despite making the grand final? Hmmm!



Did we?



The game hinged on Walker knocking on in the corner. That made it a different game.

Bulls came from outside the top 2?

Saints finished top didnt they?

Didnt we play Saints at KR?

We won (thats why we got week off)

Bulls then beat Saints which set Leeds vs Bulls final?

without a shadow of doubt you have proved yourself to be a numpty with this post

You have your opnion and its obviously different to mine. Were flying high in the league and in the CC final. We won neither. And imo we wasnt playing very good rugby.

My point is Tony Smith AT TIMES wasn't so great as everyone is making out.

Neither is McClennan.

How has he?

How have i? My memoery is serving me correct isnt it?

Somebody said we got to the GF by beating Wigan which we clearly didnt in 2005.

It's OK. In their desperate need to take the pis[is[/i they've made themselves look silly.

I'm loving this, first it was like you two arguing then some1 takes a side then the other person does not like it then the 2 arguing at the start gang up on the one who tried to join in. Brilliant

True. You could very much compaire TS 2005 season with Blueys 2008 season.

They were very similar. Both coaches got Leeds of to a flier. Clear at the top only to have a dip in form towards the back end. Only difference was the 08 team managed to get on the right side of the scoreline at OT.

Was just about to go make a very strong coffee too

no they didnt

they mentioned how far they (Mathers) kicked the ball

no mention of us playing Wigan was mentioned

Its getting late! The eyes arnt what they used to be.

Tony smith is and will always be a legend but imo you can only go so far.
It was fantastic what he achieved and the style of play he had us playing was a joy to watch but he did take us as far as he could imo.
I think we have moved on in terms of players available and opposition against us so its unfair to compare the two there are plenty of pro's and con's for both.

Where else could he take us after WCC?

Exactly, other than the challenge cup there was nowhere else to go.
I do believe he left us in a better position than he found us but i also think it was the right time to go.

I forgot to say i wish we still had the discipline he demanded!

My doubts about Tony Smith were always regarding his belief in a light weight mobile pack - sounds all well and good, but if your up against a big pack your going to stuggle to make yards, then struggle to set a platform for attacking.

JJB was used as a prop alot in 2005 from what I remember, I thought he was the smallest, most uneffective prop in the league yet he reguarly went to prop during games.

Although the sacking of Ward didn't help. People reguarly said that Peacock carried the pack by himself in his first season.

I remember when Ashley Gibson was given his first few run outs and Tony Smith, when asked for his comments on him stated that "his future is in the back row". Many thought he would be to small to play centre!

Then we go back to the recent world cup where he only took 4 props forwards, one got injured and left us with 3. He still seems to think that going with a lighter 2nd row is the answer.

You're sick lad.


I'd never touch a bird on rag week.

So you're saying you wouldn't now Lawrie?

TS first season GF winners League Winners
BM first Season GF Winners World Title Winners

Not much to call between their two records at this point other than we were still in the cup at this time in 2005 and won the wcc, however bluey has now won titles at league world and international level whereas smith can't beat the aussies let alone nil them.

I also believe Bluey is a better man manager and this showed at the end of last season when the chips were down he harnesed team spirit as apposed to smith in 2005 and 2006 where the team spirit fell to pieces

Smith is a great coach but bluey is better

Were as Frosties got "excited" over that dance act, I got "excited" over Amanda last night










..Su Bo came 2nd tho

I think Smith is a better coach. However it should be noted that we have a weaker more unbalanced squad this year.

And who's fault is that?

Smith by a country mile for me, in fact I expect Warrington to progress further under Smith than the current incumbent of the Leeds hot seat pretty quickly.

Would you say that 1 loss in 4, or 2 losses in 12 games was bad form. Not sure I would. Especially as those 12 games we scored 554 points.