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| Who played well Marty and who do you think is ready to go to fev or York to keep developing or are there any you think are SL ready now?
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| Quote ="Mark Laurie"Who played well Marty and who do you think is ready to go to fev or York to keep developing or are there any you think are SL ready now?'"
Sam Walters was excellent today and scored 2 and had a hand in 2 others. O'Connor worked hard and had his best game. McLelland and Corey Johnson moved the team around well.
Holroyd again went off injured he started on the bench and played about 15 mins only. Didnt seem serious he hobbled up and down the touchline. I've said it before hes a great prospect but hes got to toughen up.
Broadbent in the centre is very good he does everything right and tidies a lot of problems up. Hes a good player.
Muizz was quiet today by his usual standards. He has been outstanding lately and worthy of a spot in 19 in 1st team for me.
Overall the 1st half was outstanding and the 2nd a bit scrappy but a good win.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Sam Walters was excellent today and scored 2 and had a hand in 2 others. O'Connor worked hard and had his best game. McLelland and Corey Johnson moved the team around well.
Holroyd again went off injured he started on the bench and played about 15 mins only. Didnt seem serious he hobbled up and down the touchline. I've said it before hes a great prospect but hes got to toughen up.
Broadbent in the centre is very good he does everything right and tidies a lot of problems up. Hes a good player.
Muizz was quiet today by his usual standards. He has been outstanding lately and worthy of a spot in 19 in 1st team for me.
Overall the 1st half was outstanding and the 2nd a bit scrappy but a good win.'"
Thanks for that. Walters seems to be able to run very good lines and the physique to go with it. Holroyd looks a natural to me but a very young 18 year old compared to say mikolaj at same age. Someone on here said he reminded him of Brendan hill and I can see that. They may have to take it more slowly with him.
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| Have to say, watching the highlights that Jack Welsby looked great again.
I’m guessing we’ll see Levi Edwards in the U18s next year - he could be one of those rare ones that makes first grade at 16/17 if he continues to develop.
If we do stay up this year it’s going to be a fascinating closed season - not only with new signings and departures, but because there are 6 or 7 of this Academy side who’ll be busting a gut to claim a first grade spot for 2020. We still might not be winning trophies for another year or two but the youth we have, added to Oledski, Walker and Newman, really do have potential to take us back to where the club belongs.
We need to clear out the old guard and only retain those senior players who can offer something to help bring the lads through.
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| Exactly right Jim the quicker these lads get given a go the better for me.
Welsby was outstanding the 7 also Dodd was very dangerous and the number 3 looked a real player too for Saints.
In truth tho Leeds looked far more dangerous in 1st half and blew a couple more chances.
Good to see big Sam Moorhouse back in the team after injury. Big strong kid with a good offload game. He seems to go well when in the team.
Think 19s are at home to Warrington next week.
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| Does anyone know the league structure for 2020 ? Is it one up one down again?
It would suit us now to if they looked to have no relegation for a couple of years and expand to 14 teams.
Then IF we can stay up this year we could be able to take more chances playing all these developing talents rather than current position where we have to strive to stay up first.
If we can get safe, I reckon we'll play more of them at back end of season where 6 of last 8 games are at home.
But it looks like a struggle all year for now.
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| You could imagine frustration building a bit with the lads in the academy who are ready for the next step. 1st team struggling and they'll be chomping at the bit to get there. Players like Muizz who have been tearing it up but not had the call
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| Quote ="D4mo78"You could imagine frustration building a bit with the lads in the academy who are ready for the next step. 1st team struggling and they'll be chomping at the bit to get there. Players like Muizz who have been tearing it up but not had the call'"
Correct but their time will come. We all need patience at the moment.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Exactly right Jim the quicker these lads get given a go the better for me.
=#FF0000Welsby was outstanding the 7 also Dodd was very dangerous and the number 3 looked a real player too for Saints.
In truth tho Leeds looked far more dangerous in 1st half and blew a couple more chances.
Good to see big Sam Moorhouse back in the team after injury. Big strong kid with a good offload game. He seems to go well when in the team.
Think 19s are at home to Warrington next week.'"
The #3 for Saints was probably Josh Simm, a very talented player, as is Dodd. Welsby could be a great player but needs to improve his positioning and decision making. Just too add Wigan went to Hull with six suspended and still managed a win, Hanley scored an 80 yarder.
I was really looking forward to the Wigan v Leeds game in a couple of weeks but I'm in Trulous, Skiathos. Hopefully I'll catch it live on Wigan t.v.
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| The 3 was a lad called Nico Rizelli.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"The 3 was a lad called Nico Rizelli.'"
O.K. he was poor against Wigan.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"O.K. he was poor against Wigan.'"
Don't know him mate but he made a few breaks Sat and looked strong and athletic. Only judged him from Sat.
Welsby is outstanding and Dodd loves a show and go. He looked a brave little fella with a lot of class.
Leeds were by far the better team though on the day.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Don't know him mate but he made a few breaks Sat and looked strong and athletic. Only judged him from Sat.
Welsby is outstanding and Dodd loves a show and go. He looked a brave little fella with a lot of class.
Leeds were by far the better team though on the day.'"
Marty who do you reckon is looking like a first team prospect now having seen the games this year?
Stephens has something about him, but he is quite small.
We have the usual suspects such as Johnson, Dupree, and those who have already made first team appearances.
Personally I quite like Broadbent, and I also like Lewis Delaney and Levi Edwards.
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"Marty who do you reckon is looking like a first team prospect now having seen the games this year?
Stephens has something about him, but he is quite small.
We have the usual suspects such as Johnson, Dupree, and those who have already made first team appearances.
Personally I quite like Broadbent, and I also like Lewis Delaney and Levi Edwards.'"
I'll stick my neck out and say that Dupree won't make a Leeds team. People seem to centre on certain names, and usually ones who look big, as I alluded to on the previous page. Hope wrong, but I have never seen anything in Dupree to make me think it will happen for him. I'll go further and say I also doubt that Muiz will make it either. He might get a couple of games, but have a feeling that might be it, but at least he has something about him in tems of drive and energy, and that does not mean I am writing him off, far from it.
Trout, given the right opportunites may well be good, I hope. Although at this stage I only see what was seen in Manning before him, and another that escapes my mind currently. Hopefully he gets the chance to stake a claim.
I said through the scholarship, that for me Johnson, Broadbent, and Martin were the ex factor of that group. Although Martin doesn't seem currently to have kicked on. Is that down to injuries? Marty can probably answer that better. Holryod has the world at his feet, but I share the exact same concern that I know Marty has here. Where I differ to Marty is that I strongly believe McConnell has the qualities others don't, and believe he should be the one pressed for a shot and see what happens. Walters looks a great capture and in all honesty, I would say probably the most likely of all of them to make a Leeds Super League player consistently.
In the group below that age (first year academy), obviously Burton has the skills, but again can he match that with attitude and focus, hopefully he can. I have always been a big fan of Harry Anderson, and not sure what has happened there, although Mallinson looks handy too. And we see what the others offer over the next 12 months. I do always come away impressed with Stephens though.
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| Brad Martin is constantly injured unfortunately and is again at the moment. Hes put size on but cant stay fit. At 16s he looked good but has hardly played in 18 months.
Talking to people they really love Muizz so his chance cant be far away. Hes really progressed since last year to be fair to him and has earned a chance in my opinion.
Corey Johnson is an excellent footballer but needs to improve his contact in defence. Really good player and good dummy half too.
McConnell is a good player I don't disagree with you. Hes a quiet leader in that team. Steps up when needed and when things get tough. The 19s pack is very good when all fit and playing.
Stephens is a player I really like but hes small but hes quick strong and elusive but too early yet along with Burton to be fully judged as you say.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Brad Martin is constantly injured unfortunately and is again at the moment. Hes put size on but cant stay fit. At 16s he looked good but has hardly played in 18 months.
Talking to people they really love Muizz so his chance cant be far away. Hes really progressed since last year to be fair to him and has earned a chance in my opinion.
Corey Johnson is an excellent footballer but needs to improve his contact in defence. Really good player and good dummy half too.
McConnell is a good player I don't disagree with you. Hes a quiet leader in that team. Steps up when needed and when things get tough. The 19s pack is very good when all fit and playing.
Stephens is a player I really like but hes small but hes quick strong and elusive but too early yet along with Burton to be fully judged as you say.'"
Cheers. Can you see Dupree making it? Since they have come into the under 19's, you see a lot more than me. I just haven't seen anything to think he will.
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| In truth I don't know. He has some cracking games and some quieter ones but they've loaned him to York and I hope that's for a reason. Trout got loaned and played 1st team, Sutcliffe was dual reg'd and again the got a chance. If that's way club want to progress with things then Dupree could get a go soon. Hes certainly got size and an offload so we will see.
One lad who never gets a mention and is very good but hardly plays is Waite-Pullan. Hes due back from injury in next week or so. It will be interesting to see what they want to do with him cos hes too old for 19s. Hes very highly rated by people at the club.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"One lad who never gets a mention and is very good but hardly plays is Waite-Pullan. Hes due back from injury in next week or so. It will be interesting to see what they want to do with him cos hes too old for 19s. Hes very highly rated by people at the club.'"
We'll have him back pls.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Brad Martin is constantly injured unfortunately and is again at the moment. Hes put size on but cant stay fit. At 16s he looked good but has hardly played in 18 months.
Talking to people they really love Muizz so his chance cant be far away. Hes really progressed since last year to be fair to him and has earned a chance in my opinion.
Corey Johnson is an excellent footballer but needs to improve his contact in defence. Really good player and good dummy half too.
McConnell is a good player I don't disagree with you. Hes a quiet leader in that team. Steps up when needed and when things get tough. The 19s pack is very good when all fit and playing.
Stephens is a player I really like but hes small but hes quick strong and elusive but too early yet along with Burton to be fully judged as you say.'"
Marty, Gotcha, many thanks both.
Interesting thoughts. Stephens does have something, but whether that's at wing or FB in the modern game I'm not sure. He does have great footwork.
I see what you mean Gotcha about Dupree. He is big and mobile, but I don't see the X-factor that Holroyd has. For his size he should be very dominant. When Holroyd played against the Aussies he stepped up and monstered them, that's the difference.
Walters looks great going forward, but I thought he had a shocker in defence against was it Huddersfield? Not sure whether due to injury.
What happened to that Wetherby fullback, was is Sam Little?
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"Marty, Gotcha, many thanks both.
Interesting thoughts. Stephens does have something, but whether that's at wing or FB in the modern game I'm not sure. He does have great footwork.
I see what you mean Gotcha about Dupree. He is big and mobile, but I don't see the X-factor that Holroyd has. For his size he should be very dominant. When Holroyd played against the Aussies he stepped up and monstered them, that's the difference.
Walters looks great going forward, but I thought he had a shocker in defence against was it Huddersfield? Not sure whether due to injury.
What happened to that Wetherby fullback, was is Sam Little?'"
I think Little is a Scholarship player isn't he? not in the academy yet.
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| They certainly wont all make it, some are already making it, but these are the handful of players from each age group i really like the look of
Finished 19's eligibility at end of last season - M Oledzki, J Walker, C Smith, D Wait Pullan
3rd Year 19's - C McCllelland, H Newman, Muizz, O Trout, T Dupree, L McConnell
2nd year 19's - T Holroyd, J Broadbent, S Walters, C Johnson, B Martin, S Moorhouse
1st year 19's - L Delaney, J Mallison, H Anderson, R Rowley, O Burton, J Burton, L Tindall, I Stephens
Scholarship u16s - T Nicholas Wattern, A Wallace, S Little, L Atkinson, J Gibbons, O Field
Scholarship u15s - L Edwards, M Gannon, K Morgan, A Edghill, H Oldroyd
7 or 8 year ago id of struggled to name ten players in our whole system who i was excited about for there future prospects, good to see the club has got its eye back on the ball. From the 16's up, every one of them apart from Mallison, Moorhouse and Wait Pullan have gained representative recognition, be it England Youth, England Academy, Yorkshire, Lancashire or England Knights.
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| Yeah sam little is scholarship u16s, his footwork is top class.
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"Marty, Gotcha, many thanks both.
Interesting thoughts. Stephens does have something, but whether that's at wing or FB in the modern game I'm not sure. He does have great footwork.
I see what you mean Gotcha about Dupree. He is big and mobile, but I don't see the X-factor that Holroyd has. For his size he should be very dominant. When Holroyd played against the Aussies he stepped up and monstered them, that's the difference.
Walters looks great going forward, but I thought he had a shocker in defence against was it Huddersfield? Not sure whether due to injury.
What happened to that Wetherby fullback, was is Sam Little?'"
Agree Dupree isnt the talent Holroyd is, but when he played for Yorkishire against the Aussies, Dupree had a good game against them aswel, think he's more a work in progress than Tom, but he's got what you cant teach, size and Athleticism. Dupree reminds me of Rob Mulhern when he was coming through, though id say Duprees better than Rob was at the same stage personally.
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| It’ll be interest to see where this goes with the academy dropping back to under 18s next season and the reserves returning.
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