That is the worst defeat in Super League history.
Totally shambolic.

But hopefully it's a blessing in disguise.
Smith simply has to go now.
He is unable to coach at this level and has been completely found out.

We can't let him bring a load more mediocre garbage in the next off season.
Time for Gary to go on a scouting mission and get someone in place to take the team in to next season.
Someone with basic coaching skills would be good.

Utterly humiliating that today. Thought the loss to Bradford in the cup was as bad as it got. The bars been lowered again.

It’s not been the case every week but today I’d hazard a guess that the majority of our salary cap was sat in the stands.

Why on earth would we trust GH to make another major decision? You can count how many good decisions he's made in the last 6 years on one hand if you'd lost 3 fingers. Allowing him to continue making major rugby decisions is accepting we won't compete again, and this time next season we can write off the season again.

GH has to step down.

Let's say that is the case.. there lies the problem... Absolutely not worth it.

I don't trust him.
But he isn't going to step down.
The least he can do is admit he made a mistake with Smith and start again.
We must go for experience now with the position we are in.

Then we accept we'll never compete again and this time next season we can send GH back on another scouting trip to pick the next dud.

Does anyone still want to 'see what happens' in the off season? RS making calls on recruitment and retention that we will be stuck in a cycle for years with again. 15 games in and we are at as low an ebb as we've been, keep the injuries excuse thats not why we were bad, and wakey were missing lots too.

I'll be checking bbc sport website and hopefully come across "Rohan resigns" on the main rugby league news tomorrow morning...

... I can hope anyway...

We might have actually had a good coach in Dave Furner ,but our ' Head of Diversity ' or whatever he is called went squealing to GH

There's something majorly not right within the playing group. Right from the off the body language was off and in the second half, after yet another dropped ball, Myler offered his hand to Bentley to pick him off the floor, Bentley refused it and turned his back on RM. The emotional distance between them as they walked to the scrum was huge. Not sure if there were words but none were needed. Just one example but something isn't right.

Arthur Clues will not like this!

And add to the fact Bentley really was not happy getting subbed.
What a waste of a Sunday afternoon.
Team selection diabolical yet again.
Yes we had some of our better players in the stands but so did Wakefield.
On paper, yes I know you don`t win on paper but on paper playing a team that their own fans say are rubbish and who have their best players in the stand.
We should be beating them by 3 scores and that`s not being disrespectful to Wakefield.
It`s based on how they have played all season and the team they put out.
At least they played with desire and we played like we had not won a game all season.
Whilst I said Smith should be given until the end of the season there is now no justification for keeping him on after the last 2 games.

I don't know where the team goes and I don't know where Rohan goes, all his coaching theorys at this level have been blown out the water.

Short answer is No. He’s signed a clutch of players who are not good enough. We look in real trouble now. No leadership today. I don’t think GH or anybody else really wants to win anymore, it’s all corporate bs putting new events on.Nobody is driving the club to want to win titles.
Whatever is going on now with recruitment and retention, team spirit was lacking today.

Again we got dominated in our half most of the game, loads of terrible basic errors. Many are slack. Wakey had ten missing.
Peter smith has described it as the worst performance since SL began. No need for me to say more

Once smith starts saying things like that, and once hetherington starts to get serious criticism then the writing is on the wall for rohan.

I was there, mate. Was a dreadful performance for the second week on the bounce. I knew it was going to be a very close call because to put it bluntly there just isn't enough talent and will in the squad to get over any kind of injury crisis. Again, most of the criminal errors come from some of the most senior players on the pitch. This has been the case all season. Whether this will add up to "Rohan out" in the minds of the board, I do not know. I would suggest that the before they go in that direction they take time to assess who else might be available. As it stands I can't think of any available candidates. The fact remains that the squad desperately requires real quality and pace. Without that I don't see any coach making a spectacular difference. I know fans will always want the coaches head on a spike, but it's the same group of players who are the recurring factor in our continuing woe.

I have no answers but didn’t R/S arrive on a 5 year deal? We need a director of rugby to take charge of recruitment so we don’t get coaches mates again. Assuming r/s stays someone needs to tell him the basics like compete in attack and defence in the opposition 40. Don’t give up territory be disciplined wi
Th and without the ball. Give clear directio so everyone understands their roles. If he is not willing to learn he needs managing out

Is Danny Maguire the answer?

he is a SL head coach.
shouldn't he know this? these are basics

Excellent posting, I haven’t changed my view that Smith should be given till the end of season. I have watched Leeds for years and have witnessed some poor teams, mediocre teams and superlative teams. Must admit this bunch are the stupidest lot I have ever seen. It’s time some of the players stood up and started performing. IT’s crossed my mind that some of them are top notch performers in front of the south stand roaring them on. Playing away from home they aren’t prepared to roll up ,get stuck in and do the hard graft. Replacing Smith at this stage would be counter productive, after all
who would be available at this stage of the season . Putting JJB on the board what’s the benefit in that. Not a good time to be a rhinos fan, however any hasty wrong decision could set us back a couple of seasons.

I'm a big advocate for Smith and still reckon he needs time to bring in his own players, On the flip side I don't know anyone whos available to come in either, we need to stop trying to do everything on the cheap and go out there and spend and make the team as attractive on the pitch as it is off it! GH has been using these bargain bin signings since 2016 and some will blame the new stadium but he will find out very quickly that that shiny new stadium will start to empty out if the product on the field is dross! I think Smith is culpable for a lot though, this passive defence approach does nothing to help us out with teams often making 70+ metres each set, meaning when we do get ball in hand we have to go the full stretch, which is why we look for these off the cuff plays to try to make more yardage which doesn't help with our handling errors. You can see what Smith is trying to achieve and we saw it best at the Cats game, but today the players just didn't seem up to it, and that's not what you expect from professionals.

No

The next one of our weekly kit releases should be a "I'm With Stupid" addition.

I think teams have worked out the passive defence plan and being able to make easy metres breeds confidence in the opposition. Once a team gets to or near an edge we freeze, start going backwards, a couple of passes to a second row can make 15-20 metres by doing nothing. A kick to the corner and a hard charge and we are put under pressure. Again today we had very little ball in their 22. Many of our sets are sluggish and easy to stop.

Arthur is right about senior players making lots of errors. Austin and Martin again made plenty . The 2 kick offs Martin did not deal with changed the game in the second half.