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| We were solid, but our attack was so slow until Clark came on. I know it's heresy to say, but i honestly think there's at least 3 hookers in SL better than Hodgson.
Widdop's limitations were also exposed again. His kicking game was very poor.
The pack all did well (other than Hodgson), and the defence was excellent, but in Hodgson and Widdop we have 2 main pivots who can't play outside a structure, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it will get exposed once you have to chase the game.
I guess it'll be Hardaker to the wing and Hughes or Bateman to centre.
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| Quote ="Frosties."Apparently Ryan Hall has dislocated his knee in the game v NZ this morning. Yet another blow for him and the GB team. No other specialist wingers in the team than him and McGillvary.'"
That's a bad one if confirmed. Would not be surprised if that ends his career so quickly after the last bad one he had.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"We were solid, but our attack was so slow until Clark came on. I know it's heresy to say, but i honestly think there's at least 3 hookers in SL better than Hodgson.
Widdop's limitations were also exposed again. His kicking game was very poor.
The pack all did well (other than Hodgson), and the defence was excellent, but in Hodgson and Widdop we have 2 main pivots who can't play outside a structure, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it will get exposed once you have to chase the game.
I guess it'll be Hardaker to the wing and Hughes or Bateman to centre.'"
I thought our last play options were awful dying with the ball and not utilising the kick was criminal.
We could easily see same team with Coote going on the wing.
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| We’ve lost our mojo for sure. Picking players out of position doesn’t help. Our lack of quality has been exposed, and this comes largely from a poor quality domestic competition.
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| Does it? Because with the exception of Bateman, the rest of the NRL based players have been among our worst players.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Spot on.
Remember a few years back when Charnley was the best thing since sliced bread in SL scoring 30 odd tries for Wigan and was going to prove himself to be one of the best in the world. Looked woefully out of his depth once he was on the biggest stage.
I think some people think if a winger isn't skinning 3 people 4 times a game or ripping 80 metres like Offiah for a scorching try they are not worthy of an international wing spot when in this day and age at international level bringing the ball back to good effect, matching up in defence and being positionally sound are the main requirements and only a select few can meet those. Namely Mcgilvalry Hall and Makinson.one of whom is not available.'"
Offiah wouldn't get a game for club or country today.
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| I think it does. Whilst the NRL players haven’t set the world alight, it’s out lack of quality depth that has been exposed for me. We are having to play people out of position because we simply don’t have enough quality in the domestic league to have competition for places and drive up the performance level.
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| Of course Offiah would get a game these days. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
We have Makinson, Grace, Johnstone, Watkins, Gildart, Percival unavailable, of course our options in the backs are going to be limited.
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| Absolute one out clueless dross they had their best prop best 7 & lost their 6 5 minutes in & won a lot easier than the scoreline suggests.
The England Knights would have made a better game if it at least they would have attacked.
Bennett has been a total waste of money players picked on reputation & too many played out of position.
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| If Hall has dislocated his knne that'll be him done for tour we've already lost Thompson and Gildart.
Bennet should have had Grace, Watts, Sutton and G.Burgess already in squad.
Who is actually unavailable because of injury
Makinson ( shoulder injury)
T.Johnstone ( ACL)
Watkins ( rib injury)
Percival?
Bennett has good with a poor squad and i think he knows it now. He has to call players up now to cover injuries even if he goes for players who are already based in NRL no point flying out a super league player if there not gonna be selected when most SL teams start pre-season this coming Monday.
He could call up Ryan Sutton to cover Thompson and this will be a wild card but Euan Aitken from St. George has represented Scotland he is a good strong centre just depends if he wants to represent GB cause he is a aussie.
If nobody is called up we'd have to finish tour with so many players out of position.
Can see Bennett going for this next week against NZ
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Bateman
Connor
Hardaker
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| I assume the game plan is based on thinking our outside backs are poor (which is true). Even so we'd look better if we moved the ball around more.
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| X2 games in and Widdop has failed to impress in both for me.
Also agree on Hodgson, never done it for me.
We looked ponderous and never really got creative with the ball, just grind,grind,grind. Was also terrible ruck speed with the Kiwis taking full advantage of slowing down the PTB area.
Thought Jerry was very unlucky not to score at the end but if its true that there's a knee injury to Hall it makes the inclusion of only x2 wingers in the squad look beyond stupid.
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| dislocated his knee
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Offiah wouldn't get a game for club or country today.
Sums up today's total lack of attacking flair in the game'"
Given that Luke Briscoe can get a game I suspect Offiah might get a game somehow
Goodness me.
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| Quote ="Jrrhino"
Can see Bennett going for this next week against NZ
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T.Burgess
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Walmsley'"
I think that’ll be the team, unless Thompson has recovered from injury
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| Has Widdop not been injured for most of the season? If so not really a surprise he is off the pace a bit. That said, its up to Bennett to make the big call and drop him now because he has been very poor over the 2 games and with Williams and Austin in the wings we have alternatives.
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| Didn’t realise Hastings was so slow . Feel better about us missing our now. I’d go Williams and Lomax in the half’s......
Hardaker full back
Clark hooker.
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| If Josh Hodgson waa still at KRnt would he be Great Britain hooker? Not a chance.
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| Hall dislocated his knee but it went straight back in.
I`m assuming that`s got to be better albeit painful.
I actually thought Walmsley had a decent game and Philbin wasn`t too bad.
Bateman will always give you that drive and enthusiasm.
The backs were terrible.
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| Didn’t Joe Westerman recently dislocated his kneecap and whack it back into place and keep going?
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| (shudder) He did indeed.
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| Sounds a lot more serious than a dislocated patella. Usually severe ligament damage if the knee joint itself is dislocated. I hope for Hally he makes a full recovery ....
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| All the best to Ryan. Tremendous player for Leeds. Sad to see his career at club snd international level winding down like this.
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| Quote ="Shabino"Sounds a lot more serious than a dislocated patella. Usually severe ligament damage if the knee joint itself is dislocated. I hope for Hally he makes a full recovery ....'"
I've done it twice - dislocated knee. The first time I did it in training and played 3 days later with considerable strapping. The second time - not so lucky. That was 18 months, but that was mainly down to an internal fracture in my knee and then being treated incorrectly for 8 months. Nobody noticed the big piece of bone smashed off the end of my femur even though I kept pointing at it on the X-Ray, sadly only spotted when I finally gave up on the NHS and went private.
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"Absolute one out clueless dross they had their best prop best 7 & lost their 6 5 minutes in & won a lot easier than the scoreline suggests.
The England Knights would have made a better game if it at least they would have attacked.
Bennett has been a total waste of money players picked on reputation & too many played out of position.'"
Yes, sums it up.
Also good to see our refs are as $h!t as our players. Some of the worst officiating I've seen in decades. Utterly ridiculous policing of the tackle and PTB.
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