Problem was it wasn't like a typical one on one with the opposite winger, he had firstly Walsh and LMS was just behind with one other Saints player (Turner I believe) who could've gotten over to help bundle him into touch. He did the right thing as the numbers weren't in his favour and we had another tackle. Nothing wrong when you have a winger who knows when to go for it and when not to.

Why don't you go on TRLFF and see how long you last?or do you go on there and not troll?

Moon's MO is almost always to arc outside his opposite man, look to engage Hall's marker for long enough to give him a little space down the touchline, then slip out the pass.

He's not a Newlove or Senior who can put a big left foot step on and power through the inside shoulder of a defender. Ironically, when he has done that and managed to make a break he's often looking inside to the likes of Hardaker, Burrow or McGuire trailing up the middle of the park and feeding off him.

I'd be interested to see his try assist stats since he came to Leeds compared to some of the other options the club tried at left centre post-Senior.

Senior often didn't need to step at all - he was quite willing to run hard and straight, which was often enough to pull in the defending winger. He was then also strong enough to get a pass away in the tackle. It's only an option for big strong centre willing to get hit hard.

That's a very different way of making space than say Jamie Lyon, who runs exquisite angles which keep all his options open until the last second, and can make good decisions almost every time. Lyon should be required study for all wannabe centres, as the way he plays terrifies the best defences and he isn't bigger or faster than his opponents.

IMO its the angle (and clear intent) which Moon runs which causes most of this debate. Not arguing that particular case where he scored was wrong, but he could do with straightening up so that he doesn't run so near to the touchline.

I agree BR & it's a constant bugbear of mine that centres too often run diagonally reducing the space available to their wingers.
It simply plays into the hands of the drifting defence.
Leaving that space gives the winger the opportunity to go outside or inside his man or in Hall's case to try to go over the top of him.
Easier said than done though.
Contrast Moon's lines with those of Watkins who tends to run straighter.

..... before throwing the ball into touch.

... but true.

Standard coaching technique is for the ball carrier to run a slight curve (outwards) then to straighten up slightly back inside before offloading to the outside runner.

This checks the inside defender and draws in the outside defender giving the outside receiver a possible opening.

Alternatively the ball carrrier continues running across drawing in the outside defender and then drops of the outside runner back inside if the inside sliding defence is slow or missing.

But that's Briscoe's fault.

Standard coaching technique...its ALWAYS the ball carries fault.



and to be fair McGuire at least put his hand up to acknowledge the fact.

I was being ironic.

I don't mind a few passes into touch whoever's fault it is, it's part and parcel of playing expansive rugby.

Didn't Vickery say that last season?

Come come people. Do I really need to remind you that it is established Southstand folklore that;

(a) It is never the winger at fault. It is always the centre who is a tad lacking. And

(b) Current form is determined by the number of GF rings a player is in possession of.

irony apart its only the wingers fault once he has the ball in hand

Ryan Hall, bloody useless that lad

He's too big you know, carrying too much weight

Kirk Dixon will be having nightmares of ryan hall for a long time.

Makinson would have jinked past Dixon and done a superman into the corner. Makinson by plenty....or something.



I think Dixon is still wondering what the hell happened. Immense leg drive. Dixon stood no chance at all.

also the worst winger in SL defensively according to the stats you know..................

Winners' medals do weigh loads when you've won so many of them.

Probably felt a little better after Ryan's 2nd try when Finn, Webster, Hauraki and Dorn couldn't stop him either!

I did have to double take because I initially thought Hauraki was a Leeds player driving Hall over the line. Finn nearly ended up sat with the front row of spectators.

Luke Dorn was defending the dead ball line instead of the try line.