He's not even had a tenth of the influence on us that Barrett had at Wigan.

You've quoted it again meaning I had to read the gibberish it put. Please desist.

I think you've gone a little DISA and gone way over the top there but you are generally right that the amount of influence he has had has not matched that of other players with similar profiles. Reason for this for me include:
* Position - although an important position, I don;t think Hooker has nearly as much impact / influence as a halfback, with much of the work coming off the dominance of the rest of the team.
* Game time - with roughly 50% of gametime I don't think many players can have a huge impact.
* Compare the Leeds team with the Wigan team of the time (which was a shambles), Buderus is an extra cog in a very efficient and smoothly running machine. Barrett was at times the only cog at Wigan with the right number of teeth on it

I'm not sure thats the case. If your having both Buderus and Diskin in the 17 its a fine balance. You need to get as much out of them as you can, but are limited to only 1 position on the pitch, otherwise someone has to play out of position.

I understand that, but surely an element of pragmatism would apply? I.e. if one of the hookers was way, way more effective than the other I'd guess that the coach would give them more game time, particularly in view of the way we've struggled to win games this season.

On a purely playing perspective then maybe, but the squad are not robots, and good team spirit, and firendship is as important as playing ability

Not a fair comparison at all given the contexts. If he was at Castleford playing as the main man and not having an impact, then you could compare the two.

This thread has certainly provided plenty of supporters willing to provide Buderus plenty of leeway for his underwhelming performances.

I bet Matt Diskin and other non glamorous Aussie players wished they enjoyed this kind of grace from our fan base.

Careful.

I like you but any more talk like that and we could fall out.

We got better value for money from Brett Mullins.

I like you too, just don't go making wild over exaggerations too often

Are these the same supporters that you use to try and win a non argument based on man of the match poll? Interesting how it only works one way.

Just to clarify from yesterday, I don't know how G1 has the cheek to talk about fog knitting with anybody when he's quite clearly on this thread done the biggest fog knitting ever.

I stated that Buderus influence was of paramount importance in 4 matches last year. This against the ridiculous comment that Buderus "contributed virtually nothing" last year.

For some silly unknown fog knitting reason Gareth introduces a man of the match poll for a minority of supportes to prove his point. What point it proves I have no idea.

I have given two typical examples since of somebody not winning a man of the match from only this season, who gave influence of paramount importance. Man of the match has nothing to do with it.

I challenge anybody again, to get hold of those 4 videos for the games I mentioned watch them, and then say that Budurus contributed virtually nothing. You would have to be lying, or a simpleton of the highest order to say he "contributed virtually nothing".

4 games? We're paying him "mega bucks" (apparently) should do it every time he walks onto the pitch

Did he contribute virtually nothing last season?

Gotcha..other than those "4" amazing performances he had last year, what did he do the rest of the time he was on the pitch?

4 games out of a possible 30+ is virtually nothing.

But it's 4 games more than Diskin influenced anything paramount. Are we therefore applying the same comments?

And we all know it was a lot less than 30 games.

Diskin influenced the Grand Final


HTH

Is it?

Different types of players bring different qualities to the team.

this comment from Gotcha on another thread could quite easily apply to Buderus




say one thing.....

It does apply to Buderus, it also certainly applies to Diskin and others. What's the point you are making?

Intresting, you think Diskin maybe "past it"?

As a neutral in this debate here are links to highlights for the 4 games mentioned.

I've not bothered watching them yet so can't comment and remember they are only highlights.

[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/video/player.php?id=411Cas away[/url

[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/video/player.php?id=458Wakey away[/url

[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/video/player.php?id=429Hudds home[/url

[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/video/player.php?id=462Hull KR home[/url

Yes I'm sad but friday = avoid doing work

intresting



so not against any of the big 4

He was instrumental in the defeats to Salford and Harlequins though.