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| Quote ="Gotcha"Yet again Hall goes to pieces under high kicks, yet again it is excused. Monaghan doesn't do that every week, but then again wingers don't struggle defending high kicks Like Hall does.
His first try showed his real quality a try not many players would score.
Yet Briscoe still gets criticized for a very good game, and scoring a try that Hall would never have scored.'"
Hall was challenged by one of the worlds best wingers for that type of kick. Briscoe had a chance to put the game to bed if he had kept hold of that class pass in the 1st half.Hall is more devastating from 10 meters out from the opposition try line and Briscoe like wise @40 meters.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I thought he was better than good. What exactly did he do wrong? He certainly didn't conceded a try and nearly another like his other winger., yet one gets praise and the other not. Had you got off your couch and left the room when he stopped a certain try at end of first half? Delaney may have made the tackle but it was Briscoe using his head which stopped the pass for the overlap, which slowed the play for Delaney to tackle.'"
He was given a clear run into space only to drop the ball with nobody near him, and he totally misjudged a Warrington bomb which bounced, but luckily for him ended up with Paul Wood and didn't lead to a try. He also failed to gather to kick off after the Joel Moon try, Thankfully though, I have Tevo so whenever I need to leave the comfort of my very comfortable sofa I can pause the game
He did take a very good kick right at the end of the game, and the fend for his try was Senior/Hall esqe
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| Quote ="Dwayne Dibley"Hall was challenged by one of the worlds best wingers for that type of kick. Briscoe had a chance to put the game to bed if he had kept hold of that class pass in the 1st half.Hall is more devastating from 10 meters out from the opposition try line and Briscoe like wise @40 meters.'"
I would agree entirely with that last statement. I disagree with the first part. Defending high kicks is something Hall has been caught out on by several opposition over last couple of years. Standing flat footed is not a good start to defend one. But he makes up for it with a class try.
Hence why if Briscoe had done that I can understand the critisizing. But he didn't. Yet one gets excuses all the time and the other can't do right. There is only one pet player here.
I don't understand how after a good team performance, one lad who actually happened to win the game gets critisized, when he did nothing wrong. I wouldn't even critisize Kirke after that game.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"He was given a clear run into space only to drop the ball with nobody near him, and he totally misjudged a Warrington bomb which bounced, but luckily for him ended up with Paul Wood and didn't lead to a try. He also failed to gather to kick off after the Joel Moon try, Thankfully though, I have Tevo so whenever I need to leave the comfort of my very comfortable sofa I can pause the game
He did take a very good kick right at the end of the game, and the fend for his try was Senior/Hall esqe
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You need to watch properly mate. He dropped a ball on half way with a Wire player in front of him coming at him, because he was watching that player. He didn't let a ball bounce, watch it properly, it is Hardaker and McGuire the two players. The ball to touch after moons try was messed up by Hardaker and Peacock first, so thanks for confirming the fact that only one gets critisized.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I thought he was better than good. What exactly did he do wrong? He certainly didn't conceded a try and nearly another like his other winger., yet one gets praise and the other not. Had you got off your couch and left the room when he stopped a certain try at end of first half? Delaney may have made the tackle but it was Briscoe using his head which stopped the pass for the overlap, which slowed the play for Delaney to tackle.
And Sal told you before I don't have favourites. I comment on what happens in a match, I don't hold grudges like you either. If I did have a favourite it certainly wouldn't be a winger, a position I have continually said are two a penny.'"
Quite clearly you do - you don't comment on what happens - last week the first Bradford try was - according to you - a knock on. It wasn't anything of the kind Briscoe simply knocked it on - the fact you couldn't see it - like the knock on today suggests you see what you want to see.
I don't have grudges - McGuire is not the player he was but he is nowhere near as bad as the likes of you would have many believe.
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| i thought briscoe did ok. yes he dropped a dolly but everyone has done that at some time. he cleverly saved a try in the 2nd half by racing back to position himself between the player with the ball and the winger. an unnoticed vital bit of defending
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Quite clearly you do - you don't comment on what happens - last week the first Bradford try was - according to you - a knock on. It wasn't anything of the kind Briscoe simply knocked it on - the fact you couldn't see it - like the knock on today suggests you see what you want to see.
I don't have grudges - McGuire is not the player he was but he is nowhere near as bad as the likes of you would have many believe.'"
Last week was a knock on, I was sat right above it. You would have to be an idiot not to see it. It was knocked out of his hands in a forward motion.
I saw the knock on today, I have already said that. It was on the half way line, and eye off ball looking at player. Others knocked on also, including his fellow winger twice, resulting in one try conceded and nearly another.
Yet to you, only one player is critisized. That is pretty sad to be honest.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"i thought briscoe did ok. yes he dropped a dolly but everyone has done that at some time. he cleverly saved a try in the 2nd half by racing back to position himself between the player with the ball and the winger. an unnoticed vital bit of defending'"
Exactly and something Charlie Sheen missed as I commented above. But then again he also though it was Briscoe who let the ball bounce when it was Hardaker and McGuire.
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| Briscoe was the last player to miss the ball. as it went dead. It was an error by all 3, but he still should have prevented it.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"
I don't have grudges - McGuire is not the player he was but he is nowhere near as bad as the likes of you would have many believe.'"
What your saying is that your really just deflecting attention from your hero to another.
I am unsure though where you get that I critisize McGuire? Even on the other thread I said how he was one of the top four, a number of times I have praised him changing a game, when he is pants however, I say it, just like any other player who is pants. When he is good I say it. Your obsession in having the digs at Sinfield over the years just because he took you heroes glory away is really just sour grapes on your part. Don't try and bring me into having it against someone, when I don't,
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Briscoe was the last player to miss the ball. as it went dead. It was an error by all 3, but he still should have prevented it.'"
I agree, yet you critisized him ONLY above, which proved my point. However, had Hardaker and Peacock done their bit properly, Briscoe wouldn't even be in the equation.
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| mcguire looked better as he didn't have responsibility as organiser. he simply went out and played and let sinfield move the team around the pitch
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| For the Briscoe knock on, whilst he should've caught it I also thought that Watkins unnecessarily passed the ball way too quickly, he should've ran with it a bit more until he drew the Wire winger in. Even if Briscoe caught it there wasn't a overlap he could speed away in.
The one from the kick off was poor by all three, Hardaker, Peacock and Briscoe, and I believe it was Hardaker who was caught out letting the high ball bounce.....but to be fair how good was his effort to firstly stop a possible 40/20 and then the break up field which lead to Hall's 2nd.
Hall vs Monaghan in regards to kicks was a worry but I think a lot of credit has to go to the Wire execution on those two kicks also, a lot of wingers would've struggled to stop them.
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| Quote ="Dwayne Dibley"Hall was challenged by one of the worlds best wingers for that type of kick. Briscoe had a chance to put the game to bed if he had kept hold of that class pass in the 1st half.'"
The one where Watkins passed to him too early 60 yards out with the Wire backs still to run through? He should have caught it for sure but it was hardly a golden missed chance.
Monaghan is great at attacking those kicks. The kick was actually aimed at Burrow, who Monaghan is obviously going to outjump, but Hall came in off his wing to try and deal with it but Monaghan had the lead on him. The problem was that nobody (Burrow and I think Moon were in attendance) took any notice of Bridge. Well worked try for Warrington. Maybe Leeds could have done a bit better but wouldn't be too harsh.
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| hardaker should have done better and two highly experienced international players made a schoolboy error. it took a call from either one. both left it to each other. both were to blame. to blame one or the other is stupid imo
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Last week was a knock on, I was sat right above it. You would have to be an idiot not to see it. It was knocked out of his hands in a forward motion.
I saw the knock on today, I have already said that. It was on the half way line, and eye off ball looking at player. Others knocked on also, including his fellow winger twice, resulting in one try conceded and nearly another.
Yet to you, only one player is critisized. That is pretty sad to be honest.'"
Never a knock - you need to open your eyes, also note Briscoe's reaction - if it had been knocked on he would have been complaining he wasn't I would suggest your favouritism was once again miss placed.
You only mentioned the knock on today after somebody else pointed it out to you!!
What is sad is your inability to see the failings of certain players whilst focussing on those of the players you don't hold in such favour.
He and Watkins would have had a 2 on 1 on Evans if Briscoe could have caught a simple pass - he couldn't and you failed to see it - that is pretty sad would you not agree?
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| he should have caught it but he had a defender in front of him mate. he wouldn't have got far
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| A great team performance, one of the best of the year and a fantastic result that takes us back to Wembley
Why don't we just enjoy it instead of the petty squabbling
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| Quote ="tad rhino"he should have caught it but he had a defender in front of him mate. he wouldn't have got far'"
All Watkins had to do was support and they had a 2 on 1 on Evans - sadly the knock on makes it all conjecture
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| Quote ="tad rhino"he should have caught it but he had a defender in front of him mate. he wouldn't have got far'"
It's no good tad. Sal obviously has an agenda against Briscoe, making things up as he goes along. A bit like his agenda for years on Sinfield. No point educating these folk.
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| it does but like i said, name a player who hasn't done the same
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| Quote ="Gotcha"It's no good tad. Sal obviously has an agenda against Briscoe, making things up as he goes along. A bit like his agenda for years on Sinfield. No point educating these folk.'"
i'm mates with both of you and not taking sides
just giving my opinion
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| Quote ="tad rhino"i'm mates with both of you and not taking sides
just giving my opinion'"
Don't worry, I understand that. I am unsure on why this making up critisism of a player that's all.
Like I started off with on this thread, why is one player, or now seems several, excused , but another barracked. Seems very unjust.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"It's no good tad. Sal obviously has an agenda against Briscoe, making things up as he goes along. A bit like his agenda for years on Sinfield. No point educating these folk.'"
Well I have not got an agenda against Tom Briscoe, I think he is a quality winger.His form has been disappointing the last few games but that maybe down to 1st season syndrome, just give him time to bed in.For what its worth I think his best form is when he is on the left wing.We have 2 quality left wingers.Hall playing for England has proved he is also a quality right winger ask Billy Slater.But I think Hall does perform better on the left wing.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"A great team performance, one of the best of the year and a fantastic result that takes us back to Wembley
Why don't we just enjoy it instead of the petty squabbling'"
Great Team Performance Indeed. And the petty squabling is pathetic IMHO.
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