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| Quote ="Fred_Pickup"RR...I eg to differ on your selection.
To put the realative inexperience of BJB and Hardakeragainst what I believe is an international class left side attack of Manu,Yeaman and Briscoe is suicidal, given the likelihood that Hull will manage some offloads to put these players into some space in our territory. This must be a big part of their strategy and the restrictionof Manu's offloading game should be a major part of ours. I am also concerned with BMD's statements that Watkins, should he play,would be doing so ahead of getting any medical clearance and with the admission that he is not match fit. The last time we tried such a thing against Hull (with Keith) we lost the cup final.'"
There is not a lot wrong with BJB defensively. He makes mistakes, but it's certainly not a "weakness". You don't favour the full back position without been able to to make a decent fist of a one-on-one tackle, besides which, if they offload and break, or find a gap, he'd catch them anyway.
The only other options are Ablett or Delaney and neither are any "better" than BJB and we need their work rate in the pack.
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| Quote ="west_leeds_rhino"I'd like to see BJB get another go at full-back. Just felt a lot more confident that when possible, the ball would be taken on the full rather than letting it come to a stop on the floor before he picked it up. Definitely helped our momentum! Doesn't shout and ball at the ref too much either. I know he dropped it, but I think he more than made up for it. You could see the communication much better too. Webb does have a habit of running into our other backs under bombs! Would leave Smith in the academy, he seemed to like it there.'"
I'd agree 100% with this, but it's not going to happen so I didn't pick it. I'd love to give BJB a proper run at full back and see if Webby get's his spot back (which he probably wouldn't!). I've nothing against Webb at all, I really appreciate all he's done, but I must admit I was gutted when he signed the extension. The end of this season would've been perfect timing to end his Leeds career with the fans still behind him and BJB raring to go. Oh well.
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| Gotta to say that we must play Webb as he appears to be our best threat in the opposing 20.
I would not pick Watkins until next week and I would have either Ablett or Delaney at centre to combat their threequarters.
I agree Bailey on from the start with Kylie coming on later.
If they persist in playing Kirke at prop then he could get the nod over Clarkson.
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| Delaney at centre before Ablett
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| Quote ="joshua102"Delaney at centre before Ablett'"
Wilson at centre before Delaney (and Ablett)
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| Quote ="Remarkable_Rhinos"I'd go with similar to WCRhino but...
1. Webb
2. Hardaker
3. BJB
4. Watkins
5. Hall
6.McGuire
7.Burrow
8.Leuluai
9.Buderus
10.Peacock
11. JJB
12. Clarkson
13. Sinfield
14.McShane
15.Delaney
16.Ablett
17.Bailey
I know it's a young back line, but let's face it, the outside backs aren't exactly Hull's strength so if we're going to give them a run now is the time to do it. It also frees up both Ablett & Delaney to do some work in the pack given that's where we need them most for this match.
And there's no question that (despite Burrow's form) we are much more organised with 6,7,9 & 13 in the right positions.'"
Apart from Bailey starting at 8 and Singleton on the bench in his place, I would suggest this is our best starting 17 until the end of this season.
However, let's face it the somehow favoured Kirke and Hauraki (and Ali) will be here to haunt us for some time yet.
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| I know, important Challenge Cup quarter final so lets shove Ben Jones-Bishop in at centre where he can deal with the Hull left edge of Manu, Yeaman and Briscoe.
You couldn't make it up.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"I know, important Challenge Cup quarter final so lets shove Ben Jones-Bishop in at centre where he can deal with the Hull left edge of Manu, Yeaman and Briscoe.
You couldn't make it up.'"
Sounds like you don't have a lot of faith in BJB.... Why would he have to be dealing with all 3 ???? ... Wouldn't Delaney ( granted not Hauraki ) and Hardaker be there on that side to help ?
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Sounds like you don't have a lot of faith in BJB.... Why would he have to be dealing with all 3 ???? ... Wouldn't Delaney ( granted not Hauraki ) and Hardaker be there on that side to help ?'"
Plenty of faith in BJB. Very little faith in him being half as effective playing out of position. When was the last time he started a game at right centre?
Defending well is as much about combinations as attacking. Learning how to read where your inside and outside defenders are going as well as recognising where the runners are coming from. Defensive partnerships need time to develop - breaking up one that was a major part of keeping a clean sheet just a week ago, particularly against a club that traditionally loads its attacking options down that side, is lunacy.
Personally, I'd go the same as last Friday. Reward those responsible for a tidy performance. Maybe Leuluai for Pitts off the bench, but that would be my only change.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Sounds like you don't have a lot of faith in BJB.... Why would he have to be dealing with all 3 ???? ... Wouldn't Delaney ( granted not Hauraki ) and Hardaker be there on that side to help ?'"
Not at the same time, but at points in the match he would have too, and each player has a different skill set which would mean he would have to adopt different technique on each one - for someone who hasnt played a lot of centre, to expect him to cope against 2 of the top try scorers in the comp and Willie Manu who has been fantastic this year (and hopefully will get a touch of the ball this week!) might be a tough ask for him
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| I can accept the points about defensive structure.... But is Delaney at RC and the favoured Hauraki in the second row a better option ?
Should not the team have faith in its own abilities and not be defensively sticking forwards ' out of position ' ?
Besides how many different right side combinations have we had already fielded this season ? Hardly enough to have a strictly adhered to pattern that BJB could not adapt to on the training field surely ?
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Besides how many different right side combinations have we had already fielded this season ? '"
And how effective have we been defensively on both edges as a result?
Delaney, Sinfield and whoever was operating as the right side second rower at the time did a pretty decent job on Hull's best attacking threats last week (albeit with assistance from Horne and Westerman, who seemed incapable of passing to their left for most of the game). Let them build on that rather than slotting in a player out of position and making them start again.
I'm unconvinced - tactical arguments aside - that Jones-Bishop has the physicality to deal with Manu or Yeaman either, certainly not for the full 80. There's a big difference between playing wing or full-back and needing to make 6-8 tackles a game and defending two in from the wing in terms of workrate.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Plenty of faith in BJB. Very little faith in him being half as effective playing out of position. When was the last time he started a game at right centre?
Defending well is as much about combinations as attacking. Learning how to read where your inside and outside defenders are going as well as recognising where the runners are coming from. Defensive partnerships need time to develop - breaking up one that was a major part of keeping a clean sheet just a week ago, particularly against a club that traditionally loads its attacking options down that side, is lunacy.
Personally, I'd go the same as last Friday. Reward those responsible for a tidy performance. Maybe Leuluai for Pitts off the bench, but that would be my only change.'"
Webb rightly or wrongly will walk straight back into the team....meaning dropping BJB ?
Didn't see much of this perceived threat from Hull last week.
Delaney can always be moved if there are any danger signs of a tired BJB.... In the meantime he might have won us the game with his attacking prowess.
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| Delaney, even if he is more suited to the second-row, is the best defensive centre we currently have. Hull's only threat all season as been down their left side. It's a no-brainer who should play at 3 for this game.
Webb
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The current, shadow-of-himself Ali still offers more as an interchange prop than Kirke.
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| I think we will see a similar side to Fridays. I would expect to see sinfield at FE. Would prefer him at 13 but don't think it will happen
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| Glad to see Bailey being preferred to Leuluai as the starting option. On the evidence of this season (limited in Leuluai's case from the bench) it's appeared the right approach for both players.
It will be interesting to see if Coach McDermott sees it that way.
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| Quote ="joshua102"Delaney at centre before Ablett'"
Delaney, the centre who was signed as a centre who can't play as a centre or doesn't want to play as a centre, who's strengths lie in the second row more effectively?
Stick him at centre. Await the glory.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"
I'm unconvinced - tactical arguments aside - that Jones-Bishop has the physicality to deal with Manu or Yeaman either, certainly not for the full 80. There's a big difference between playing wing or full-back and needing to make 6-8 tackles a game and defending two in from the wing in terms of workrate.'"
He could be perfectly capable, but I agree that a cup quater final, away from home is not the place to find out. I'm sure he won't play there.
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| assuming all fit
1. Webb
27. Hardaker
3. Delaney
5. Hall
23. Jones-Bishop
6. McGuire
7. Burrow
16. Bailey
9. Buderus
10. Peacock
11. Jones-Buchanan
12. Ablett
13. Sinfield
8. Leuluai
17. Kirke
20. Hauraki
24. McShane
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| As our 19 man squad hasn't been released yet
I can't imagine that we would make too many changes to last weeks side TBH if all are fit for selection, I would definitely keep both Delaney and Ablett in the centre's for this week rather than throw Watkins in at the deep end, surely we can't move too many players about and into different positions can we for this game?
IMO this is our most realistic chance of silverware this season, so If everyone's fit then i think we will go with:
FB: Webb <if not then BJB>
W: BJB <if Webb out, then Hardaker>
C: Delaney
C: Ablett
W: Hall
SO: Sinfield
SH: McGuire
P: Bailey
H: Buderus
P: Peacock
SR: Buchanan
SR: Hauraki
LF: Clarkson
R: Burrow
R: Lauitiiti
R: Kirke
R: Leuluai
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| Hopefully we'll go with...
Webb
Bjb
Watkins
Delaney
Hall
Mcguire
Burrow
peacock
Buderus
Bailey
Jjb
Ablett
Sinfield
kylie
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| I like the above team by rhinoms and usually I would like to see hauraki dropped but I thought he had a good game Friday and probably deserves his spot
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| Smith and McShane drop out of the 19.
Webb and Leuluai return
1 Brent Webb
3 Brett Delaney
5 Ryan Hall
6 Danny McGuire
7 Rob Burrow
8 Kylie Leuluai
9 Danny Buderus
10 Jamie Peacock
11 Jamie Jones Buchanan
12 Carl Ablett
13 Kevin Sinfield
14 Ali Lauitiiti
16 Ryan Bailey
17 Ian Kirke
20 Weller Hauraki
21 Chris Clarkson
22 Jay Pitts
23 Ben Jones-Bishop
27 Zak Hardaker
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| Likely to be:
Webb
Hardaker, Ablett, BJB, Hall
McGuire, Burrow
Leuluai, Buderus, Peacock
JJB, Delaney
Sinfield
Bailey, Kirke, Clarkson, Hauraki
Would like:
BJB
Hardaker, Delaney, Ablett, Hall
Webb, Burrow
Bailey, Buderus, Peacock
JJB, Clarkson
Sinfield
Leuluai, Hauraki, Ali, McGuire
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| Why would anyone put BJB in at centre?
I would prefer:
BJB
Hardaker, Delaney, Ablett, Hall
McGuire, Burrow
Bailey, Buderus, Peacock
JJB, Clarkson
Sinfield
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