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I quite agree.

you know what can do??

As promised earlier the St Helens forwards:

Player: Metres - Carries (MT/Carry) - Tackles - Misses (Efficiency %) - Errors - Penalties

Graham: 165 - 23 (7.17) - 24 - 0 (100%) - 0 - 2
Cunningham: 54 - 8 (6.75) - 15 - 2 (88%) - 0 - 1
Puletua: 113 - 13 (8.69) - 25 - 1 (96%) - 0 - 1
Gilmour: 71 - 7 (10.14) - 27 - 1 (96%) - 0 - 2
Flannery: 64 - 11 (5.82) - 32 - 1 (97%) - 0 - 0
Wilkin: 69 - 11 (6.27) - 27 - 2 (93%) - 1 - 1

Roby: 80 - 11 (7.27) - 26 - 1 (96%) - 0 - 0
Clough: 56 - 7 (8.00) - 17 - 0 (100%) - 0 - 1
Fa'asavalu: 84 - 10 (8.40) - 13 - 4 (76%) - 0 - 0
Hargreaves: 36 - 4 (9.00) - 13 - 1 (93%) - 0 - 0

Across the Categories: Leeds total first

Metres: 1223 - 1360
Tackles: 289 - 294
Offloads: 21 - 5
Attacking Kicks: 9 - 8
Runs From Dummy Half: 34 - 23
Tackle Busts: 23 - 29
Marker Tackles: 51 - 37
Clean Breaks: 4 - 3
Kicks In General Play: 16 - 17
Errors: 10 - 12
Penalties Conceded: 8 - 11
Sin-Bin: 0 - 0 (FFS)

Hall will be going to union next with those tackle stats.

I'm sure Ablett ran thre ball in more than 6 times.

I think the stats prove how tight a game it was. If Saints were to click in an attacking sense I think we could see the best game of RL for decades in this country. Leeds would then be forced to step it up and I've convinced you could.

These statistics have been shown week after week to be flawed. Chief statistician TVOC even qualifies them when he presents them.

Comparing the stats for the two packs you would think they dominated ours.

The Leeds stats may look weaker in terms of metres made because we spent a lot of time camped close to the Saints line...

Couple of things that stand out to me is that Leeds were clearly intent on shipping the ball wider to Smiths and Donalds wing whilst Saints played it down the middle, I suspect the Saints three quarters stats are much lower than ours.

Whilst we only had one recognised hooker we still made alot more runs from dummy half despite what the stats suggest was behind a dominated pack so I dont think the stats are telling the full story.

That is a telling statistic for me. I always feel when Leeds are playing well they have an effective offload game. 21 is their fourth best figure this season although the weather has a part to play.

St Helens lack of an offload game removes one of their biggest threats.

That shows how good a job we did on TP!!

coming out from their own line they did for most of the game. they were making 40/50 meters before getting to the kick easily most sets, don't remember a set where leeds managed to keep them inside saints own 20

Our go forward and yardage has been woeful all year. We are reguarly kicking on the last tackle just out of our 40.

Just because we are top of the table doesn't mean there are no areas for improvement before anybody claims there isn't.

TVOC,you are clearly the best statistician ever,but what do you reckon to opta's efforts?
i reckon they have missed a trick or 2 with catagories that they don't monitor each week
Opta clearly don't do statistics for "Skid marks in the undies"
but i'd bet that last weeks "skid marks" in the saints players undies would have broken all records

From the stats I see the tactics didn,t work against Graham. Still came up with more metres than anyone else, no missed tackles, best metres per carry.

He didn't make an impact on the scoreboard or the result so i'd say they did ok!!

Aw shucks, whereas in reality I'm just a loner with a copy of Excel '97.

As for Opta, I wish I had something more reliable to rip off each week.

Completion rates would be a nice addition for next season if they're listening.... yeah fat chance.

Skid marks are too subjective.

best poster on here mate,and you know it!

There's a few others worth reading most of the time to be fair. Give them a chance they'll grow on you too.

This is the weakest part of our game this season, if it improves for the play offs then the opposition will struggle.

Well, unless you count the successful chargedown of Sinfield's attempted drop goal? That had an impact.

He made the try scoring pass for Gilmour resulting in 6 points.

That couldn't of happened with him being in agony from Jjb's nasty tackle!!

That was more a result of Gilmour excellent run than the pass itself, and poor marking from Smith.