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| Are Leeds in serious danger if dropping back into the pack? Other teams seem to be strengthening (either through recruitment or progression of Juniors) whilst Leeds appear to be standing still at best.
Wigan - lots of good young kids and look to have the measure of us, plus have added Tautai the prop from Wakey
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Catalan - knocked us out this year and have added Carney
Hull KR - signing the whole world it seems
Hull - Sneyd and Minichello are good signings - Pryce not so
Certainly feels like we're getting closer to the 2 Hull teams than Wigan, Saints and Wire. God forbid Peacock or Sinfield were to get injured....
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| I'm sure I've read this thread before somewhere...
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I'm sure I've read this thread before somewhere...'"
What like practically every other thread on here?
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| Quote ="Superted"Are Leeds in serious danger if dropping back into the pack? Other teams seem to be strengthening (either through recruitment or progression of Juniors) whilst Leeds appear to be standing still at best.
Wigan - lots of good young kids and look to have the measure of us, plus have added Tautai the prop from Wakey
Saints - won the comp without a number of players and were great early in the season - signed Burns from KR and
Wire - signed Clark and Sims to what's already a good team
Hudds - added Huby and rumoured to be getting the cod head prop from Wigan, but I think they're also dropping back
Catalan - knocked us out this year and have added Carney
Hull KR - signing the whole world it seems
Hull - Sneyd and Minichello are good signings - Pryce not so
Certainly feels like we're getting closer to the 2 Hull teams than Wigan, Saints and Wire. God forbid Peacock or Sinfield were to get injured....'"
A fair assessment we have also improved the squad with the addition of cuthbertson who should improve us. Will be interested in how Catalans go next year if they can kick on from this year
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| Quote ="Ferdy"A fair assessment we have also improved the squad with the addition of cuthbertson who should improve us. Will be interested in how Catalans go next year if they can kick on from this year'"
Improved as in a better player, but can it make up for the regression of the majority?
Also missed out plenty other players signed by the other teams who will improve them massively.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Improved as in a better player, but can it make up for the regression of the majority?
Also missed out plenty other players signed by the other teams who will improve them massively.'"
Yeah I couldn't be bothered doing an exhaustive list of signings - what's clear is that we appear to be resting on our laurels - that's a dangerous tactic even when you're the top dogs - we were able to get away with it a few years ago as we were far enough ahead of the pack, but gradually they've caught up and overtaken us.
We've been incredibly lucky as fans these last 10 years and it almost feels like because of that, we're supposed to be content and ok with the lack of recent team improvement.
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| IMHO we should have gone all out to sign Clarke from Cas. I remember him ripping us apart in 2013 at HQ and said to the missus that he is exactly the kind of player we were missing.
We seem to play a better when we have full time hooker on the pitch, if we had a class hooker like Clarke we'd play much better. I still believe that the hooker position is one that we could strengthen (unless the Lunt rumours are true).
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| In anticipation of getting left behind, the club plan to embark upon several more invented real time twitter feeds in order to celebrate past success.
The next cringeworthy real time invented twitter feed is earmarked for Wed 4th Feb with a kick off time of 8pm to celebrate half the opposition first team squad remaining in Australia whilst Braith Anasta wishes he'd done the same as he limps off for good after just a few minutes.
@leeeeeedsrhinoooos [iAnd from a penalty for holding down, WALKER HAS SCORED! Collects pass from McGuire and cuts inside past shambolic Luke Patten for Rhinos 1st try converted by Sinfield. Rhinos lead 6-0 after 5 mins #SuperRhinos05 #WCC05 #PrinceKev #FutureKingKev #WorthyCringe #etc[/i
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| Quote ="Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino"Record is stuck again...'"
Don't bite then he might realize how boring and spent he has become
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"Quote ="Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino"Record is stuck again...'"
Don't bite then he might realize how boring and spent he has become'"
So, does that mean you're happy with how the team is looking moving forward? Do you disagree with the notion that we're dropping further back in the pack?
I thought the idea of these forums was to share opinions; not to whinge and moan when someone posts something you don't like or agree with... If you don't agree with the gist of the topic, then tell us why, and if you don't like the topic, rather than resorting to petty playground stuff, just don't waste your time posting and those that do want to discuss the situation can.
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| Quote ="Superted"So, does that mean you're happy with how the team is looking moving forward? Do you disagree with the notion that we're dropping further back in the pack?
I thought the idea of these forums was to share opinions; not to whinge and moan when someone posts something you don't like or agree with... If you don't agree with the gist of the topic, then tell us why, and if you don't like the topic, rather than resorting to petty playground stuff, just don't waste your time posting and those that do want to discuss the situation can.'"
I think they were referring to a poster who ambushes every thread, including yours here, to repeat his nauseating drivel over and over and over and over....
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"I think they were referring to a poster who ambushes every thread, including yours here, to repeat his nauseating drivel over and over and over and over....'"
This thread which posed a very reasonable question was both ambushed and disrespected by the very first two respondents. I'm guessing they both fit your profile of reasonable posters on this forum insofar as they keep any criticism of the club to a minimum, or better still, none at all.
Unquestioning sycophantic loyalty by plenty.
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| Quote ="Superted"So, does that mean you're happy with how the team is looking moving forward? Do you disagree with the notion that we're dropping further back in the pack?
I thought the idea of these forums was to share opinions; not to whinge and moan when someone posts something you don't like or agree with... If you don't agree with the gist of the topic, then tell us why, and if you don't like the topic, rather than resorting to petty playground stuff, just don't waste your time posting and those that do want to discuss the situation can.'"
I think they were referring to our resident agent provocateur, William (he should think about using that as a user name) and not the thread subject.
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| Quote ="William Eve"This thread which posed a very reasonable question was both ambushed and disrespected by the very first two respondents. I'm guessing they both fit your profile of reasonable posters on this forum insofar as they keep any criticism of the club to a minimum, or better still, none at all.
Unquestioning sycophantic loyalty by plenty.'"
The team could be playing perfect RL ,but you would still troll just to annoy people for some reason.Its not criticism which is fair enough it's your reasons for doing it .
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| Quote ="William Eve"This thread which posed a very reasonable question was both ambushed and disrespected by the very first two respondents. I'm guessing they both fit your profile of reasonable posters on this forum insofar as they keep any criticism of the club to a minimum, or better still, none at all.
Unquestioning sycophantic loyalty by plenty.'"
Nope i was referring to your good self.
You are clearly a very knowledgeable person when it comes to RL and its history and every now and then you can display some very worthy debate.it is a shame you have to resort to your childish ramblings on most occasions that people round these parts have become all too familiar with.
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| Back on topic, the only really good players on the list are Carney, Clark and Sims. Albert Kelly could be a star in SL. The rest are OK or blah.
Wigan - lots of good young kids and look to have the measure of us, plus have added Tautai the prop from Wakey
Saints - won the comp without a number of players and were great early in the season - signed Burns from KR and
Wire - signed Clark and Sims to what's already a good team
Hudds - added Huby and rumoured to be getting the cod head prop from Wigan, but I think they're also dropping back
Catalan - knocked us out this year and have added Carney
Hull KR - signing the whole world it seems
Hull - Sneyd and Minichello are good signings - Pryce not so
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Nope i was referring to your good self.
You are clearly a very knowledgeable person when it comes to RL and its history and every now and then you can display some very worthy debate.it is a shame you have to resort to your childish ramblings on most occasions that people round these parts have become all too familiar with.'"
Don't beat around the bush.....he's a lonely di**head
A point scoring one at that too
For all he criticises those who will follow and buy Season Tickets next year as blindly following their club, this comes from a man who seemingly hasn't really enjoyed British RL for at least 20+ years yet still follows its every moment.......hypocrisy by plenty!
William is actually the biggest sheep on this board, he just doesn't realise it apparently.
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| Quote ="Superted"Are Leeds in serious danger if dropping back into the pack? Other teams seem to be strengthening (either through recruitment or progression of Juniors) whilst Leeds appear to be standing still at best.
Wigan - lots of good young kids and look to have the measure of us, plus have added Tautai the prop from Wakey
Saints - won the comp without a number of players and were great early in the season - signed Burns from KR and
Wire - signed Clark and Sims to what's already a good team
Hudds - added Huby and rumoured to be getting the cod head prop from Wigan, but I think they're also dropping back
Catalan - knocked us out this year and have added Carney
Hull KR - signing the whole world it seems
Hull - Sneyd and Minichello are good signings - Pryce not so
Certainly feels like we're getting closer to the 2 Hull teams than Wigan, Saints and Wire. God forbid Peacock or Sinfield were to get injured....'"
I must say as the longer this goes it looks like GH is painting himself into a corner.Its looking like all the old guard are going within two years of each other.I would like to have clue as to what he has up his sleeve
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| If this is our final squad & Coaching staff rosta for 2015 then i dont see us getting into the top 4 i hope to be proved wrong but whilst we see plenty of "numbers" in the squad i think the quality is lacking.
I also think the Coach ran out of ideas towards the end of the season & his "Machines" ran out of petrol.
I dont doubt on our day we would be capable of beating anyone but it's getting more and more a "one off" rather than consistent top 3/4 challengers.
No matter how "close" the table may have looked during that last 3 months the CC and a heroic 12 man effort v ST's aside on the pitch we were way off imo.
I think this "gamble" that GH appears to be taking is one too many but i look forward to seeing the likes of Walters ,R.Ward ,Sutcliffe & Mulhern etc hopefully progress into better and more regular 1st team players but then again will the Coach utilise and "Coach" them in their natural positions?
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| I knew who they were referring to - and the point still stands.
He has an opinion - and it's as valid as anybody else's.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"If this is our final squad & Coaching staff rosta for 2015 then i dont see us getting into the top 4 i hope to be proved wrong but whilst we see plenty of "numbers" in the squad i think the quality is lacking.
I also think the Coach ran out of ideas towards the end of the season & his "Machines" ran out of petrol.
I dont doubt on our day we would be capable of beating anyone but it's getting more and more a "one off" rather than consistent top 3/4 challengers.
No matter how "close" the table may have looked during that last 3 months the CC and a heroic 12 man effort v ST's aside on the pitch we were way off imo.
I think this "gamble" that GH appears to be taking is one too many but i look forward to seeing the likes of Walters ,R.Ward ,Sutcliffe & Mulhern etc hopefully progress into better and more regular 1st team players but then again will the Coach utilise and "Coach" them in their natural positions?'"
Think that's a good summary - on our day, we're in with a chance, but not consistently. Also, in the past, if we played to our potential,nobody could get near us - now, I'm not so sure that our best performance is a good as a Wigan or Wire top performance. So even in the 1 off games, we need to be at our best, and they need to be slightly down.
I don't see any juniors demanding a position, but then they're not been given a chance to do that by the coach. And I can't see that changing next year - we need to make the top 4 and we're gonna have a fight on our hands to do that, so I just can't see McD going with anybody but his 'tried and tested'.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Improved as in a better player, but can it make up for the regression of the majority?
Also missed out plenty other players signed by the other teams who will improve them massively.'"
It's a fair point. I still think the signing improves the pack. With the additions of the young players Mulhern, baldwinson etc.
but as a whole team we probably are marginally worse or stationary. My main concern is we appear to have heads in the sand regarding some difficult transitions that need to happen soon. And the biggest negative for me is the coaching. Not saying McDermott out but I think at the least would like to see some fresh ideas come into the team with an addition of a assistant coach. The assistant role seems a bit ad hoc at the moment
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| Quote ="Superted"Think that's a good summary - on our day, we're in with a chance, but not consistently. Also, in the past, if we played to our potential,nobody could get near us - now, I'm not so sure that our best performance is a good as a Wigan or Wire top performance. So even in the 1 off games, we need to be at our best, and they need to be slightly down.
I don't see any juniors demanding a position, but then they're not been given a chance to do that by the coach. And I can't see that changing next year - we need to make the top 4 and we're gonna have a fight on our hands to do that, so I just can't see McD going with anybody but his 'tried and tested'.'"
I don't see them being given a chance. We have peacock and cuthbertson next year as good starting props. The other senior props offer nothing for me. Def think 2015 is a couple of years too much for Kyle. Unless he is used sparingly. Bailey and kirke for me offer very little and I would move them on soon. At the very least would have Mulhern, singleton (with some fitness work in the off season) and even baldwinson.
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