... have gone backwards two weeks running.

No Leeds forward gained 100 metres again.

Leuluai 58m, Buderus 68m, Peacock 76m, JJB 77m, Ablett 78m, Sinfield 59m, Lauitiiti 49m, Bailey 59m, Hauraki 90m, McShane 47m.

This in stark contrast to Graham 145m, Roby 191m, Puletua 144m.

Absolute pointless statistic on it's own.

I have no doubt the Saints forwards will prove more effective, but just giving meters on it's own is pointless. I would guess the Leeds backs will have done more carries and more meters than the Saints backs, because Leeds seem to play this tactic on most occassions.

I've seen more drives in a one house cul de sac

It’s a disgrace considering what our head coach was back in his playing days at Bradford. You’d think at least he would be able to teach them how to set a platform wouldn’t you?

What is even more embarrassing is that he played for England as well. What a fall from bloody grace!

Not good go forward I would be interested to see our stats for the backs in go forward, see if they faired any better

You were half right.

Saints backs - 87 carries, 584 metres.
Leeds backs - 95 carries, 570 metres.

More carries less meters from our backs.



So on go forward we lost in both backs and forwards!!

Saints forwards - 137 carries, 877 metres, Avg 6.40m.
Leeds forwards - 116 carries, 661 metres, Avg 5.69m.

One can be forgiven for cringing when talking about things like completed sets and errors, etc, but here goes...

Saints - sets 41, completed sets 34, incomplete sets 7, set completion 83%, errors 9, missed tackles 16, clean breaks 10, offloads 8, penalties conceded 7.

Leeds - sets 40, completed sets 28, incomplete sets 12, set completion 70%, errors 15, missed tackles 24, clean breaks 3, offloads 8, penalties conceded 7.

I don't bother with statistics I just use my RL ometer

Leeds current reading is 78.42% nessness

HTH

Statistics are seldom entirely revealing on their own. However, when the circumstantial evidence is telling you your forwards are getting a beating and then this is backed up by statistics, your forwards are probably taking a beating. You can't play the much-loved champagne rugby off that kind of platform.

It's noticable that our back row forwards never look like running a good line and punching a hole. Look at Wigan and compare their back row forwards to ours.

Harsh on Ablett is that

One of the first thing I wasvtold about rugby was that it's won and lost upfront, you are always likely to struggle behind a beaten pack

Leeds need to play it simple and get back to simple rugby, 3 hard drives with the forwards and then spread the ball. Clearly current tactics are not working.

Leeds don't currently have forwards...

The problem is 3 hard drives goes nowhere so you have no platform to attack - add to that the two slowest centres in the league and you have a problem.

With Peacock, Leuluai and Ali playing you should be making plenty of ground forward with 3 drives. Leeds always bang on about how good McGuire and Burrow are, they don't seem to be able to control the attack.

It's become a bit of a cliche, but very few halves play really well behind a beaten pack. I've seen Andrew Johns do it, but not many others spring to mind.

your forwards will be ok this week, your only playing Rovers.

Who we can't seem to beat for love or money.

It's the biggest myth ever that one.

Happened hundreds of times over the years. Just people prefer to trot out the same old line.

How did Myler ever become a world record fee for a youngster? Why did Huddersfield pay out a shed load for Brough? How did Danny Orr get to Wigan after been the only stand out at Cas at the time? Why is Jonathan Thurstan regarded as the worlds best scrum half despite not playing for teams dominating games?

They all stood out, that's why despite playing behind packs who were beaten by the oppossition.

If the side you're in are really diabolical then you are bound to stand out amongst them if you have some talent. Orr did what exactly at Wigan? Myler? Overhsadowed by Briers and Monaghan. I haven't seen enough of Brough to say how well he has done this year.

The fact remains that it is extremely difficult for a half back to control a game if his forwards are not going forward. It's also not ideal to go wide if you are not attacking a retreating or disorganised defensive line. Good halves pick their moments to take advantage of disorganised defence and know when and where to attack. In that department Burrow and McGuire have been exceptional over the years. But if you are on the back foot, with slow PTB's there is little a half can do apart form defend well and wait.

Sort of half agree, stand out players can play behind a beaten pack but also having a dominant back does help the half backs.

Being.