I've seen several posts recently suggesting we get rid of basically the entire senior squad, and play with a bunch of untried kids next year. Yes, we might be doing badly this year, yes some players are undoubtedly over the hill, but really? The entire senior squad? Can we actually stop and think for a minute about who we have, and who we could get to replace them.

OUTS (irrespective of rumours as to whether they are or aren't going)

Hauraki-good player in a bad side, but not as good as current 2nd row options JJB, Ablett, Clarkson, Kirke, Pitts, Delaney or Senior

Cross-the fact he's not been making the 17 should be a good indicator. An over the hill Aussie prop evidently not the solution to our problem of aging props

Lauititi-in the last 2 years has spent more time on the treatment table on the pitch, and just isn't the player he used to be, when we have better options

Leuluai-not the force he once was, and with Bailey, Burgess, Ambler and Amor from their performances ready to step up, i think his time is over.

Senior-36 next year, a great player but no longer making it either at centre, or at 2nd row.

KEEP

Webb-I'd still prefer Webby to BJB at fullback for next season, but even if not cover would be very useful, and he's still a cracking player.

Peacock-will be 34 next year but, like Morley, just keeps going. Good for one more year at least.

Burrow-still, for me, one of the best scrumhalves in superleague.


NEXT YEAR'S 17:

Webb
Hardaker
Smith
Watkins
Hall
McGuire
Burrow
Bailey
Buderus
Peacock
Jones-Buchanan
Ablett
Sinfield


McShane
Burgess
Kirke
Delaney

Senior both to go and stay???

You are claiming others have gone mad yet you want ditch one of if not our form "Prop" in Kylie and want to release and retain Senior in the same argument??
Now don't get me wrong there's plenty of differing opinions on who should stay and who should go and the same re-coaches but just from the couple i've highlighted you need to lay off the Jamaican roll ups mate and pause before asking if anyone else has gone mad!

I agree to some extent! A lot of posters have gone off at the deep end big time! Posting crap like a bunch of fooking women! It's been bloody shocking! A few regulars should take a long hard look at the crap they have posted!

sell him, then sign him

I think you need to calm down fella and enjoy the entertainment on offer where you are down under because here at HQ we are getting shown up and it's not nice.
The team need an over-haul as do the coaches NOTHING that's been posted is OTT nor 99% of the criticism unwarranted.
Now i'm not saying that the likes of Sinfield ,Mcguire and Burrow should be ditched but many are getting paid for what they aren't producing time and tide wait for no man and when that time comes as it has now then we need to move forward without the "past its" and "not up to its".

On lower wages? sounds like a plan.

I think we should release some southstander.com toilet roll in time for Christmas this year. We can embed some of the barmiest dribble on they – like writing on bog roll. It should be a best seller. After all we’ve all contributed over time.

Unnecessary thread this.

Indeed sir. In-very-deed.

I'm calm mate and am enjoying the RL here very much. I posted before the post defeat hysteria that a fair few need to leave. Others have pointed out that whole sale changes could make it worse. I can see something isn't right. But I look back to hudds are their tanning in the cup last year. All is not lost. But again I refer to posts I made earlier in the season, a team that can't be disciplined, has no respect for the fundamental basics of the game will get beat. But if we beat saints and win a few games the same doomers will be quiet as they were when we were playing ok and beating teams making up the numbers.

It's getting like RAB has been for several years now on here!!!

How you doing Wilks? Hope its going OK? Be interested to hear.

Fair do's bud but i think our performances against the top 4 have helped build the "hysteria" and the team selection on friday coupled with the 2nd half just added weight to the argument for a "clear out".
Good to hear from mate hope alls well down there!

I've seen this bloke playing the drum, it doesn't surprise me that he posts such nonsense, he doesn't look the smartest of people!

I read this in Howard Wilkinson's voice

Joe Pasquale for me.

I am sure I fall into your category - but you see you look back and go they did it once let's keep then forever - too many sacred cows - but you are entitled to your opinion. I personally think you have your head in the sand and are incapable of seeing what goes on in front of your eyes and incapable of comprehending anything beyond the simple.

This is a great team that is now in terminal decline. I would like to see this decline cease or at the very least see a point to it i.e. building for the future. You on the other hand want to continue with the same side because they won the GF two years ago.

I ask you this - how is this side with the nucleus of older players who aren't going to improve and compete with the best sides in this league. You want to keep the same half backs - no other top side in either the NRL or SL play with 3 half backs the game is too quick. As I said you are stuck in a rut incapable of seeing the obvious.

It also works in Roy Keane's voice

Sorry mate. No head in the sand here? I already said changes were needed. Right in the middle of our mini run against sl also rans. I thought what many of you think! I just realised that what happend against wire was just around the corner so didn't go off at the deep end when it did happen.

So the clams you make about what I think about the team are totally in your head and unfounded.

The "anything beyond the simple" snide jibe is just pathetic and very bitchy which even though my comments wernt at anyone specific fits the acting like a bunch of women statement perfectly.

What are you on about? I've not even a clue as to who you refer to saying this? But it was not me pal! No idea what you are talking about

Are you ok?

One too many ecstasy pipes for you sal?

Again you post total fooking bull $hit! Pulled out of thin air

I have stated many times in the last few weeks before the wire second half collapse I would like to see a good few move on and the kids be blooded.

So you telling me what I want just makes you look foolish to those I had a discussion with last week about losing a good few from the squad.

at any time feel free to say you are wrong and we can just let it lie.

As I said you are incapable of comprehending what goes on in front of your eyes - let's be charitable are you short sighted?

I will explain - you want to retain all three half backs - that means Leeds cannot change the way they attack and accomodate all three. I am saying there isn't a side in the elite game that plays with three half backs - the game is too fast a physical now to play the way Leeds play and have played since 2003.

Sinfield was in the YEP last week saying he wants to play 6 - so that could explain McDermott's strange decision to play McGuire at 7 - it begs the question who picks the side?

As I said it should be about evolution not stagnation or even worse regression

Where have I said anything about Leeds playing 3 halfbacks? Anything about sinfield McGuire or burrow! Before or since the wire game in reference to what you are posting.

Thats right I haven't. I haven't even commented on such things.

Find where I have?

You are saying I've said something or given an opinion? You are saying I'm shot sighted, simple? All snide insults?

You are arguing the toss over something I've not said or commented on?

What's your problem?