Hi Tad Rhino,

I have no problem with Brent Webb playing for us week in week out - I think it's the right thing for him to leave at the end of the year, but the guys been a legend for us over the years and still creates some really good tries (14 assists this year in 14 appearances). His defence is not what it used to be, but surely the indiscipline you refer to gives us a bit of the aggression you think we lack in the pack? For me, the tries he makes and his ability to direct the backs is what keeps him in the team; he and JP have conceded the same number of penalties this year, but I don't think anyone's going to suggest sorting out JP!

As I say in my first post, Zak Hardaker played really well for us at the back end of last year and was rightly given the number 4 shirt. Can you tell me exactly what it is you think needs sorting and how you would go about it? With the injuries we've had, we can't drop him for an instant fix, and in my experience there's no magic solution to learning technique at this level - it comes with practise over time.

In terms of aggression in the pack, Jamie Peacock and Kylie Leuluai rarely back down, and Richard Moore and Darrell Griffin were brought in in the off season to add some aggression. Moore is living up to this and I think Griffin will get there in time (we all saw his legal challenge on Harrison in the last minute of Friday's game). Bailey has been playing well, so what more exactly would you like to see?

Finally, how do you replace a player like Danny Buderus?! We were always going to experience a transition after he left, do you not think Burrow does a good job?

Again, I think I've addressed your point about the same problems in my original post, and still think Mac is a quality coach.

To be honest its nice to have a positive poster on here. I'm kind of split on the subject though, i think while McDermott needs to be questioned for the performance (opposite to what the OP thinks) i agree with him that the criticism shouldn't go into abuse territory. Healthy and non-too-personal criticism is ok, going onto booing during games, name calling and disrespectful comments i think is unnecessary.

I believe Swiftcorn got a bit of a ban following an argument on the VT with an Aussie about Aussie Rules Football and claiming he knew Australia better than a guy who lives there. Don't know if it applies to here though but his absence is greatly appreciated.

Quote ="Gotcha"Come on folks. This is another AP/Keith alias. Don't get sucked in.'" It's not really a case of getting sucked in, as others have commented it's remained a civil discussion. I've always been notoriously poor at identifying the men behind the 'characters' but agree it's likely to be one of the regulars. Either way it's provided an outlet for some frustration. Will it change anyone's view - I doubt it. rhinowinorlose probably still thinks Henry Paul wasn't replaced at the Harlequins and that he was always a leading role model off the field : news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 038590.stm I'm guessing the Quins were just grateful he wasn't the chauffeur driver behind the wheel of that Mercedes S280.

Quote ="Gotcha"Come on folks. This is another AP/Keith alias. Don't get sucked in.'" It's not really a case of getting sucked in, as others have commented it's remained a civil discussion. I've always been notoriously poor at identifying the men behind the 'characters' but agree it's likely to be one of the regulars. Either way it's provided an outlet for some frustration. Will it change anyone's view - I doubt it. rhinowinorlose probably still thinks Henry Paul wasn't replaced at the Harlequins and that he was always a leading role model off the field : news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 038590.stm I'm guessing the Quins were just grateful he wasn't the chauffeur driver behind the wheel of that Mercedes S280.

Agreed. It's a discussion forum, this is a discussion. Does seem to wind a few people up though - not sure why.

I think in short they players have to take the criticism for the way they play and they shouldn't be exempt from criticism but equally the manager has to take some blame for the standard of play and tactics used in the game.