Hi, in a way im always reluctant to post open questions that create more upset and disagreement than seem to get answers, i dont want this to turn into a cross fan/club slanging match or a bash the board session. The reason i ask the question on here is simply to find if anyone can or cares to answer the points as i have due to the fact i did not get a response from the club (that is the clubs choice as i am not some one they have to answer to - only i would maybe expect a watered down response as the club is a business and i am a fan).
* The new stadium going back a while was going to be controlled by a stadium company, the Club the Council would own whatever percentage share of the new stadium was decided. Is this still the case (how does Opus involvement change things and who will OWN the new stadium ?
* We waited a long time to find what the exact use of the stadium would be from the council point of view, what facilities they would have within it. Do/will the council still have facilities within it, did we ever/do we intend to use the 2 million the council made available to us ?
* Waystone were/gave us the land, they were also injecting 1 million into the build if memory serves me correctly ?
* What is the agreement with Opus, are they paying for the whole thing, or topping us up - i assume we paid for full planning permission on the new site (in part with the money from Joe)
but will Opus be covering the cost of the whole build ? do we have 'x' ammount of money in a bank account available to put towards the cost of the build (i remember R W saying we could fund the stadium already for 3/4 build) does this include the sale of our current land and the 2 million council money ?
If Opus are to pay for the stadium build what of the 'building funds for the new stadium' i.e buy a brick ?
* At what point will Opus make funds available - do we require full P P for Wheldon Road or will funding be made available once outline planning is obtained ?
I have looked over statements from the club over a period of time, every time i feel i have an idea what is going on i read some thing else that contradicts what i have read before and raises more questions !!!
Where is this club financially and are we still saving for the stadium (do the record sponsorship deals, selling of players moneys go towards the stadium kitty, to pay off debts or towards the retaining of top/young players as we await monies freed up from players on large contracts untill the end of 2012 for us to have money to improve the current squad) ???
Sorry for the long rant (i dont get out much)


and after being a supporter for 31 of my 36 years to a point my partner says im obsessed, i feel i know nothing


Can anyone clear any of these points up - preferably with facts as i may be just intelligent enough to make an educated guess on all the above points myself !
Thanks.

It will only turn into a slanging match if the Wakefield fans grace this thread and try to troll or turn it into an argument thread (the usual suspects).

Anyway, in answer to your points:

1. Castleford Tigers will own the new stadium - we are paying for it ourselves.
2. Yes we do. Not sure on facilities - might be better off looking at the FPP schemes and stadium plans. From what I remember, think they'll have educational and classroom facilities but not sure on that.
3. Waystone have signed a contract for the land with us and they are/were putting in £1m base funding.
4. Opus are funding the full stadium build.
5. The club are looking at using all revenues made to enhance the stadium - we can't just settle for the minimum really (RW said at the Meet the Directors evening they are looking to bring the catering in-house etc).
6. Outline PP. Opus will be submitting plans for full PP, though.
7. Financially, we are a well-run club and very stable. We do not spend more than we earn. With Opus paying us for WR and us then paying for the stadium, there is less onus on us to save for the new stadium but as I've said above, the club are still looking for cash for further aspects. However, it is worthwhile remembering that we have paid for all planning stages, consultancy, design and architect fees. Licensing has also had an impact on our business and the way it's run so a lot of money has also gone into really improving our academy (as the results are showing now), increasing backroom/off-field staff etc etc.

Thanks for your reply Fully

- due to work/family commitments i dont really get too much of an opportunity to get to certain meetings/events, i would certainly like to.
I have spoke to Ben Parker, Denise Jeffrey and a few of the players i know past and present on several occasions through business and personal reasons but dont really like to talk about 'Rugby/Cas' issues unless it's some thing they instigate - they know im a fan, but i dont feel its fair or right to do so, if i have questions or want answers i would direct to the club, i was a little dissapointed at the lack of some form of reply !
Now we just need to hope the supermarket in question opts for our site ahead of others and the outline permission can be obtained !

The only bit I would disagree with Fully and many other peoples perceptions on here is the level of funding being provided by Opus. My undestanding is (and I have had a number of meetings with Opus in my work) that Opus have promised to fund the balance of the of the cost of the new stadium build i.e. less £2m offered by the Council, anything genearted by naming rights and cost of land and any other input from Waystone.
In my line of work I have some involvement in and knowledege of land values for various types of dvelopment use and whilst supermarkets is by far and away the highest value achievable currently, the value of the Cas site will not cover the entire build cost of a new 13,000 capacity stadium.

When is the next PP hearing for Wheldon Road?

Quote ="Gazemous"When is the next PP hearing for Wheldon Road?'" A full Planning Application has yet to be submitted, although Opus have obtained approval from the planners that a full "Environmental Impact Assessment" will not be required. https://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/onlin ... L95QQ06E00

Quote ="Gazemous"When is the next PP hearing for Wheldon Road?'" A full Planning Application has yet to be submitted, although Opus have obtained approval from the planners that a full "Environmental Impact Assessment" will not be required. https://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/onlin ... L95QQ06E00

Quote ="bigalf"A full Planning Application has yet to be submitted, although Opus have obtained approval from the planners that a full "Environmental Impact Assessment" will not be required. https://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/onlin ... L95QQ06E00'" I take at that will speed things up?

Quote ="bigalf"A full Planning Application has yet to be submitted, although Opus have obtained approval from the planners that a full "Environmental Impact Assessment" will not be required. https://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/onlin ... L95QQ06E00'" I take at that will speed things up?

Yes i'm sure it will be speeded up to a snails pace lol

Wouldn't said supermarket have to choose their site before an OPP is applied for?

As I understand the situation, there are a number of different sites all tendering for the same opportunity.
Getting the nod that WR wouldn't need an environmental impact assessment is a pro for your bid, but as other sites already have FPP for such a development is it really that big a deal?

Lets hope Tescos choose WR and not the easy option with PP already granted.

Oh i see you know more than us, what are these said sites that already have planning permission??

The ones ive been told of are the bus station( Delayed due to WMDC skint) Bus Depot ( does not have pp and involves knocking down a school( Good luck with that)) and Lambsons old site ( No pp and more toxic than hicksons)

so come on then or are you just Trolling / Hoping / Praying

Go on then Sandal

As Binks says - which are these then? (Apart from Bridge Street)

Jesus Christ, I only made a passing comment.

The tension on here is palpable.

Bridge Street was the one that I can recall, my original point was it's far from as straight as put in a OPP and get 15M, Tescos still have to choose WR- then worry about the problems of the planning system.

Hoping? - I hope you get one, always have.
Scared? - Of what? CT?








Trolling? - Got to spice up this board some how, it's as dead as on here.

...and that's as much as I will read.

No doubt the following posts are a tedious back and forth between Wakey and Cas fans.

The reason why it's dead is because most times that someone seems to write something positive about the club, there is a huge plethora of trolling, negative comment from people who just rehash the same old rubbish and all that sort of tripe.

Another reason is that when some of us try to have a go back, we get (not from the mods) a load of bile about having a childish set-to.

It seems that there isn't much you can say without people deliberately trying to talk it down, the Tesco comment in your original post being a prime example. The original purpose of this thread was to find out some information, not to be subjected to your third-rate spin-doctoring.

You said: "but as other [usites[/u already have FPP for such a development" and then you said in your next post "Bridge Street was [uthe one[/u that I can recall. You will now come back with some pathetic response about how I'm being too sensitive, how you've got more idea about the planning process than I'll ever know, how you can't tell us your sources because it's privileged information, and then you'll make up some pathetic little titbit of misinformation to get things running again.

That's how it works, and how it's worked on here for a long time now regarding stadium posts.

So, if you've some substantiated information, share it by all means, good or bad. If it's only your opinion, then to be honest, go and share it with someone who's thick enough to believe that what you say is 100% true.

Yup. He's got me started. Sorry

You ruin every discussion about the stadium Georgie, with your childish sniping...

TBH if it wasn't for you Bren with your constant encouragement and support, I'd kill myself.





Thank you my darling.

Don't let me get in your way old chum...

Just think... I could come back and haunt you....

Maybe me but who said anything about being scared?? is that your paranoia coming out

Yesterdays Pont and Cas Express carried another article about the negative impact an 'out of town' retail development on WR would have on the town centre shops.
It seems to me the definition of 'out of town' must be dependant upon the size of town (and/or it's resident's spacial awareness/mobility) because everyday thousands of people walk a hell of a lot further around Leeds than the distance between say Cas library and the ground. Also the number of people who park at/around the ground on matchdays as opposed to walking from the town centre or further afield must be a very small minority.
I accept that the route along WR may not be sufficiently attractive to encourage a stroll up/down it but for the most part it is a waterfront so not beyond major improvement. Furthermore, looking at a significant number of locals Opus may wish to support their PP bid by arguing the health benefits of the exercise involved in getting to the store(s).
Seriously though I am less concerned that WR will lose out to another site (the traffic implications elsewhere could be even greater) than that the development just won't happen at all because of commercial opposition.

Local shop owners will always make a big noise about any development that they perceive as a threat, particularly in this financial climate. I lived in Sheffield when Meadowhall was built and the indigenous shopkeepers were virtually demonstrating in the streets to halt progress on that particular circle of hell. As we all know, it didn't make one iota of difference in the end, although it probably slowed things down.

Still, I feel your pain; we went through a similar process with NM last year and it does seem that the breadth and scope of objections are what saw it end up at PI.

On a much scaled down version, businesses at Busy Corner on Barnsley Road are up in arms over the way Tesco has slipped under the planning radar and is busy converting the Foresters pub into a Tesco Express. So that'll be goodbye to the bakery, the grocers, the off-license and many other local shops.

I just cannot understand why any of the major retailers would want to build a high quality brand new supermarket on a dead end road like WR. It basically goes no where and would get absolutely no passing trade whatsoever. Like any major retailer, supermarkets work on footfall (ie. number of people coming through the entrance doors) and I can't see how it would work.

Aren't Opus supposed to be making the full planning application during October, last day of the month on Monday. Personally I just can't see it getting of the ground at all.

WR takes you to Airdale, have you ever been out of Chequerfield??

So it sits right inbetween Cas and Airdale and is easier to get to than Asda, sorry what was your point again??