Yes, but if the bids were all 200k+ (as rumoured) then it provides a guideline.
It is exactly the ET's role to determine the financial loss suffered by Castleford, based on the evidence provided.
However, they would need to decide that Solomona breached his contract first.
The biggest winners are the legal professionals, though.

It'll probably end up with Solomona going to Sale, for an undisclosed fee.

Followed by endless speculation as to how much it was & various posters claiming to know the gospel truth.

Oh well, it is the off-season, crack on.

As CTRLFC is a private limited company with share capital the shareholders will always find out.

Rangi Chase retired at Leigh, Leigh agreed to release him.

Marc Sneyd asks Salford for a move Salford tell Marc Sneyd he had to honour his contract Snead goes out on loan, later to be sold.

Theo Farges asks to leave Salford Salford say no and put a record fee on Farges Farges puts a sicknote in and never plays another game. Signs for Saints for a undisclosed fee.

Think there's a trend here that will be replicated with Solomon a.

Andy Clarke (brother of Phil) under investigation by the RFL here :- www.loverugbyleague.com/news_241 ... -saga.html

Andy Clarke (brother of Phil) under investigation by the RFL here :- www.loverugbyleague.com/news_241 ... -saga.html

Cas have now instructed Nick Randall QC with the backing of the RFL: www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-8255758 Looks like Sale are arguing that Denny has 'retired' from RL, giving them a freebie. No wonder the RFL are backing this - has such huge implications if players are allowed to do this.

Cas have now instructed Nick Randall QC with the backing of the RFL: www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-8255758 Looks like Sale are arguing that Denny has 'retired' from RL, giving them a freebie. No wonder the RFL are backing this - has such huge implications if players are allowed to do this.

The loss to Cas is the cost of replacing a record-breaking winger. There is clearly a quantifiable loss. Good luck to Cas, and Denny has been stupid and greedy.

Hate to say it but I feel for Cas on this one, it's a dirty trick whichever way you look at it - hope it breaks the bloke tbh and I also hope Cas never allow him to represent them again. I know it's difficult to sideline an asset like this but a line has to be drawn.

We did it last year (lesser degree of talent I accept) with Tim Smith and Kevin Lock and it worked out rather well.

I think Denny Solomona will be a worried man. If all is as it seems, he has clearly breached his contract. This has led to a financial loss to Castleford Tigers. The club can pursue him as an individual for this financial loss (which will be significant).
He will need a lot of money for legal costs (ten of thousands), and a massive amount if he loses (hundreds of thousands). I don't expect Sale will be willing to foot the bill for a player who has never played RU. Indeed, paying his legal costs will likely count on their salary cap.
Castleford may take action against Sale, but they are a more difficult proposition and can afford top lawyers too. Solomona as an individual is an easy target.

How much and from what sources?

Falling season ticket sales? It would be very easy for a lawyer to imply signing a player with a known history for homophobic behaviour (which he was banned for) may impact this - meaning you can't claim this is a source of financial loss is due to Solomona's actions.
Sponsorship and commercial deals? Again, the above arguments apply, along with the obvious economic arguments that this year will be weaker than last year. Of course, there would be more feedback on this front, so its the best hope.
Shirt sales? I am starting to struggle now, and I am not sure how I would even begin proving a link, other than for some of the worlds biggest footballers.

Unfortunately for Castleford, the only claims that would easily be proved is breach of contract - which would be valued at the cost of the contract. He had 2 years left, so it won't be an embarrassing sum, but it will hardly be the megabucks that Cas were being offered prior to him walking out either.

This whole sorry tale reminds me of the Martin Offiah saga... dummy spitting & toy throwing at its sickening worst.

What were Cas Tigers offered prior to him walking away ?

I'm all for player welfare and clubs honouring contracts but with Sandow and now Solomona it shows that some players don't feel they need to reciprocate it.

As a Salford supporter I've seen my club done over a couple of times by selfish individuals such as Australian Hudson Smith being released early from a contract on grounds on home sickness only for him to sign for Bradford Bulls on a free days after. I also recall us signing Schuster from Newcastle Knights only for him to change his mind weeks after putting pen to paper. The big question is are contracts more favoured to players than the clubs and do they need to be looked at to protect the welfare of the clubs as well? Where does this leave Warrington and Castleford now? If they would have known a few months back they would of had more time to find suitable replacements.

It is not an easy process.
However, there is an ace in the pack. Castleford received three offers for Solomona, which will clearly give an indication of his value to an employment tribunal. The fact that Castleford rejected them show they believe him to have a higher value than the offers made, but there is concrete evidence that he was a financial asset to the club that has been lost through his breach of contract.
Another element of financial loss is the increase in his salary when he signed a new deal in 2015. This would not have been offered without him agreeing to extend his contract to 2018, which he has now breached (it seems). Castleford have every right to claim the increase in salary should be considered a financial loss in these circumstances.
As you say, sponsorship is harder to put a value on. The club could claim the loss of direct player sponsorship (each individual player is sponsored per season) using last year's figures and the fact that Castleford had a sponsor agreed for Solomona next year for a higher price, which the club will now lose. Other than that, it's more or less impossible to put a price on the financial gains an individual player brings to the club.
If Solomona is found in breach of contract, I would imagine Castleford will claim for costs. This will be another substantial amount if Castleford are awarded these.
In his position, I would be worried. I doubt he has the finances to cover the money that Castleford may be seeking.

I think both Warrington and Castleford need to make an example of these mercenaries to deter other players from doing the same in the future.

Warrington have a harder job in proving financial loss as nobody was offering money for Sandow.
They can claim loss of direct sponsorship, but other than that I think they are pretty much powerless.
The RFL need to make examples of players who are found to be in breach of contract by preventing them returning to RFL competitions.

I think it would have to be a worldwide ban from the sport at any level. Additionally the International sports governing body could make it mandatory in all new player contracts for 'breach of contract' players to pay the club the sum of his remaining contract, as a penalty compensation payment.

The difficulty is that sport is professional.
So just like any other employee they are free to walk out on any terms of employment, just like any other employee.

The difference is that if I walk out on my job tomorrow getting a reference in future will be tricky.
Sports stars use their talent as their reference so this is not an issue for them.

The difference is sport whilst professional still markets itself by club loyalty and local-ism.

There are solutions but in a competitive market place they can still be busted by competitors.

i.e. Any wages offered 50% could be held in trust upon completion of a contract, a bit like bankers bonuses some of which are now paid based on performance 2 - 3 years later, to stop short term thinking.

However, this would need to be agreed across all SL clubs and as soon as one says they will only with hold 40% or 30% it becomes a race to the bottom.
Also clubs with more money could still offer to compensate any player for the loss of the end of contract bonus. So it would be a deterant but not a silver bullet.

The value of the transfer fee, Merchandising and ticket sales. Leeds claimed £3.2m for Harris.

But you aren't free to walk out on the terms of your contract. Your contract likely contains the terms for ending it for both parties. But if you don't follow those terms you are liable, similarly if your employer doesn't follow the terms for ending the contract they would be liable.

Without intending to be insulting, most people aren't important enough to an important enough business for those terms to be anything other than the standard 4 weeks notice and even if you broke them its not really worth taking action for, but if you were the CEO of Tesco, or an executive at Goldman Sachs however, your terms will be a lot more complex and they would almost certainly be problems for you if simply sent your resignation to Joanne in HR and then rocked up a month later at Asda or JPMC

Shouldn't this post be on the Bradford in Administration thread?

It must be bitter / sweet knowing your club's actions helped with Bradford's demise.

Winning the Harris battle yet losing your favorite games of the year.

If you keep reaching this much, you might just start grasping those straws.

We still dont know who Cas are taking to court, is it Solomona, his agent or Sale my guess is Cas would only get a big payoff if they take Sale to court and win.
It was 7 November when I did some digging and read inside sources at Sale saying Solomona's signing was imminent,but I've heard nothing since.
Have they tried to distanced themselves from Solomona,or did Sale contact Cas saying they are now going to sign him as hes retired from league but were willing to compansate Cas a measly sum?

This top QC must think Cas can win but against who?
I think Cas are going after everyone.

I would imagine it would be mostly against Sale. It's pretty similar to the Harris case and you would imagine would end up with the same result.

Sale really dropped one with taking photos of him at their place. Its hard to see how they could be found anything other than guilty of inducing or assisting Solomona in breaking his contract.
If they've any sense they'll offer Cas a transfer fee equivalent to the highest Cas were offered elsewhere to avoid court.

Sale sharks argument will be he retired from RL and chose to play another sport and there is no agreement between league and union to honour each others bans.
Remember all those union converts from when union was amateur all were given bans by the RFU and we ignored them so apart from banning from league can't see anything other than Cas accepting an undisclosed fee.