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| Quote ="JINJER"Hardly Rodney's doing,i'll stick with Sir Rodneys pedigree,much healthier than Richard Wright's i'd suggest.'"
Did RW turn the world cup into a loss making enterprise?
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| Quote ="tb"Did RW turn the world cup into a loss making enterprise?
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no i think you will find that was Caisly (sp?) the former bradford CEO.
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| Quote ="Disney cat"The wording interests me they don't single out Wakey. Are we on for a share?
"The firm say the plans are "in order to safeguard the Super League future of Rugby League in the district, and to encourage the development and retention of local sporting talent by providing facilities worthy of a city with such a proud sporting heritage."'"
It will help amatuer teams as well as just Wakey!
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| Quote ="binks"well i would go for it but just not in our(ffs) city of wakefield . we are not part of the same city just the same borough council you may try to take the credit for all the junior work done in cas but fact is we produce more players, Fact how many under 8s sides in the 'city' boundry and how many in cas, even hudds have more sides from the entry junior level,'"
That is rubbish - you name the SL players both playing for Cas and other SL/NRL teams and I'll do the same. They must have played at least one SL game for you. Then we can blow that particular myth out of the water, becauase it is a total fabrication.
Go on if you dare - that's all players signed in the last ten years as Academy players or signed at 19 and under - go on I dare you
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| I sense the 'race' to a new stadium may, for the timebeing at least, have swung in Wakey's favour and good luck to 'em because there is no other way to a renewed license for them. Despite recent comparitive success on the playing field their crowds remain unsatisfactory so a move from Belle Vue is a last throw of the dice attendance-wise.
Cas, on the other hand, can fill the Jungle with a half decent side (currently we're not even a quarter decent at home). While a new stadium is the ideal and would increase our commercial capacity I understand that as far as SL criteria are concerned the Jungle could be made compliant if we had to resort to a plan B.
As regards the proposed Newmarket site, at first glance one could be forgiven for thinking a shared venue is back on the cards; isn't it closer to where Cas RU reserves play than to where Wakey currently play?
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"I sense the 'race' to a new stadium may, for the timebeing at least, have swung in Wakey's favour and good luck to 'em because there is no other way to a renewed license for them. Despite recent comparitive success on the playing field their crowds remain unsatisfactory so a move from Belle Vue is a last throw of the dice attendance-wise.
Cas, on the other hand, can fill the Jungle with a half decent side (currently we're not even a quarter decent at home). While a new stadium is the ideal and would increase our commercial capacity I understand that as far as SL criteria are concerned the Jungle could be made compliant if we had to resort to a plan B.
As regards the proposed Newmarket site, at first glance one could be forgiven for thinking a shared venue is back on the cards; isn't it closer to where Cas RU reserves play than to where Wakey currently play?'"
Stanley is well and truly red, white and blue,
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Excellent news. Best of luck.
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Excellent news. Best of luck.
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| Quote ="Sandal Wild Cat"Stanley is well and truly red, white and blue,'"
Sorry, thought the proposed site was near the M62 where the pit used to be ie on the back road to Methley (old home of Castleford RUFC)
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"Sorry, thought the proposed site was near the M62 where the pit used to be ie on the back road to Methley (old home of Castleford RUFC)'"
It is, but unlike Normanton which is 50/50 Stanley is Wakey - however it is as close to Cas as you can otherwise get.
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"I sense the 'race' to a new stadium may, for the timebeing at least, have swung in Wakey's favour and good luck to 'em because there is no other way to a renewed license for them. Despite recent comparitive success on the playing field their crowds remain unsatisfactory so a move from Belle Vue is a last throw of the dice attendance-wise.
Cas, on the other hand, can fill the Jungle with a half decent side (currently we're not even a quarter decent at home). While a new stadium is the ideal and would increase our commercial capacity I understand that as far as SL criteria are concerned the Jungle could be made compliant if we had to resort to a plan B.
As regards the proposed Newmarket site, at first glance one could be forgiven for thinking a shared venue is back on the cards; isn't it closer to where Cas RU reserves play than to where Wakey currently play?'"
Why, last years average was over 8000, how is that unsatisfactory it was about 1000 less than you. The peddling of myth continue
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"I sense the 'race' to a new stadium may, for the timebeing at least, have swung in Wakey's favour'"
You mean they're about where we were two years ago: on the starting block?
Good news for them, after the fiasco of Thorpe Park, but let's not get over excited
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"I sense the 'race' to a new stadium may, for the timebeing at least, have swung in Wakey's favour...'"
I don't think it has yet. Oh I know all about "we're going to do this and that" - I've been hearing it from Cas for long enough - but at this point in time Wakey are still unclear as to funding, don't have planning permission and can't even give an impression of what it might look like. I think you undersell Cas' progress if you think an initial agreement on a bit of land near a motorway somehow rockets a club past where we are. Perhaps there's a bit more substance in the WE today? I don't know as it doesn't sell very well down here.
Quote ="smoking monkey"and good luck to 'em because there is no other way to a renewed license for them. '"
Agreed, but I'd add that it's as true for Cas as it is for Wakey.
Quote ="smoking monkey"Despite recent comparitive success on the playing field their crowds remain unsatisfactory so a move from Belle Vue is a last throw of the dice attendance-wise.'"
We've been to Belle Vue. We know why nobody wants to go there.
Quote ="smoking monkey"As regards the proposed Newmarket site, at first glance one could be forgiven for thinking a shared venue is back on the cards; isn't it closer to where Cas RU reserves play than to where Wakey currently play?'"
Can't see it myself. There aren't that many stadium sized areas of prime building land in the city and Wakey's options have become pretty slender. Had it been somewhere like Normy I might have had a different view (and sure I'd have preferred them to sod off to Durkar or Ossett ) but there's nothing overly sinister about Stanley.
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| Quote ="vastman"Why, last years average was over 8000, how is that unsatisfactory it was about 1000 less than you. The peddling of myth continue
'" Thats a very good argument Vasty, except for the small fact that its a load of crap![urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/09/01/30/RUGBYL_Super_Guide.html[/urlLast years average attendance for Wakefield was 7000. Why let facts fet in the way eh?
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| Quote ="Therailwayendisuponus."Thats a very good argument Vasty, except for the small fact that its a load of crap![urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/09/01/30/RUGBYL_Super_Guide.html[/urlLast years average attendance for Wakefield was 7000. Why let facts fet in the way eh?
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you must be worried if we are going back to the whole attendance argument!!!
Imagine what our team will be like when we have bigger crowds and more money...........we are doing quite well at the moment with our 'crap' support!!!!
Cheers for your good wishes though!
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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"you must be worried if we are going back to the whole attendance argument!!!
Imagine what our team will be like when we have bigger crowds and more money...........we are doing quite well at the moment with our 'crap' support!!!!
Cheers for your good wishes though!'"
Didn't realise there was an "attendance argument"
(i.e. what's there to argue about?)
We've both recently played the Bulls at home - check the figures - end of debate.
... oh, unless we move onto the hilarious recent CC game against a competitive NL1 side (Cas would get double that against an amateur side).
On the ground topic - fair play to you - at the moment there seems to be more happening than there is with us - but as already stated, you are approximately 2 years behind us - so anything we do before then is a bonus.
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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"you must be worried if we are going back to the whole attendance argument!!!
Imagine what our team will be like when we have bigger crowds and more money...........we are doing quite well at the moment with our 'crap' support!!!!
Cheers for your good wishes though!'" Not at all unlike some fans my only concerns are for Cas, I coudln't give two hoots what other clubs are doing. I personally hope Wakie get their new ground, they are after all a local team with loads of history and I love RL as a whole.
Also, if you care to read the previous posts it wasn't me that brought up attendances, it was Vastman. I merely pointed out that as usual his post was a fabrication.
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| Quote ="vastman"Why, last years average was over 8000, how is that unsatisfactory it was about 1000 less than you. The peddling of myth continue
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Good news for both clubs, hope it go's well looking forward to the first derby game in your new ground, is nearly bulit yet?
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| Quote ="morrissey"Didn't realise there was an "attendance argument"
(i.e. what's there to argue about?)
We've both recently played the Bulls at home - check the figures - end of debate.
... oh, unless we move onto the hilarious recent CC game against a competitive NL1 side (Cas would get double that against an amateur side).
On the ground topic - fair play to you - at the moment there seems to be more happening than there is with us - but as already stated, you are approximately 2 years behind us - so anything we do before then is a bonus.
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My point exactly, thanks for helping me prove it!.............l really don't care if you average more than 'us', why is it even any interest to you?????
As said previously, just imagine the team we could put out if and when we get a new stadium and generate more money!!!! As we seem to do reasonable well at the moment with our 'poor crowds'
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| Quote ="vastman"Why, last years average was over 8000, how is that unsatisfactory it was about 1000 less than you. The peddling of myth continue
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Vasty, I think you have overstated the average but regarding the differential of 1000 you have to bear in mind Cas finished bottom and were thrashed most weeks wheras Wakey had prolonged periods of good form and reached the cup semis. My argument being that unlike Cas, Wakey will struggle to increase/maintain a fanbase without a new stadium (I suspect attendances are down at Belle Vue this season despite the team's excellent start). I do not subscribe to the myth that Wakey will never again draw bigger crowds than Cas but I believe they will have to play elsewhere to do so.
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"Vasty, I think you have overstated the average but regarding the differential of 1000 you have to bear in mind Cas finished bottom and were thrashed most weeks wheras Wakey had prolonged periods of good form and reached the cup semis. My argument being that unlike Cas, Wakey will struggle to increase/maintain a fanbase without a new stadium (I suspect attendances are down at Belle Vue this season despite the team's excellent start). I do not subscribe to the myth that Wakey will never again draw bigger crowds than Cas but I believe they will have to play elsewhere to do so.'"
Absolutely spot on!!! Not sure many Wakey fans will disagree, but as l, and many wakey fans have said, we have the bigger potential.......that does not mean we will achieve it though!
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"Vasty, I think you have overstated the average but regarding the differential of 1000 you have to bear in mind Cas finished bottom and were thrashed most weeks wheras Wakey had prolonged periods of good form and reached the cup semis. My argument being that unlike Cas, Wakey will struggle to increase/maintain a fanbase without a new stadium (I suspect attendances are down at Belle Vue this season despite the team's excellent start). I do not subscribe to the myth that Wakey will never again draw bigger crowds than Cas but I believe they will have to play elsewhere to do so.'"
He overstated that too.
Agree with your argument, though. Sadly, we will not grow significantly as a club if we continue to play at Belle Vue. The place has limited appeal, now, regardless of the quality of the entertainment.
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| Quote ="Therailwayendisuponus."Thats a very good argument Vasty, except for the small fact that its a load of crap![urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/09/01/30/RUGBYL_Super_Guide.html[/urlLast years average attendance for Wakefield was 7000. Why let facts fet in the way eh?
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Sorry you are correct it was 7000, I plucked my figure from memory.
Your bitterness to carry on your personal vendetta against me is to be admired, however in your haste you clearly didn't look at your own average gate.
I actually credited you with 1000 more than us when in fact it was a meagre 500 - Oh dear. This further bust the Cas attendance myth - does it not.
Obviously I offer my humble apologies for being a bit random with the exact figure knowing as I do what a pedant some posters are. However I'm happy you have proved my actual point with your scrupulous research far better than I did - thanks
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| So, basically, you're saying that you're both talking sh*te?
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| Quote ="Therailwayendisuponus."Not at all unlike some fans my only concerns are for Cas, I coudln't give two hoots what other clubs are doing. I personally hope Wakie get their new ground, they are after all a local team with loads of history and I love RL as a whole.
Also, if you care to read the previous posts it wasn't me that brought up attendances, it was Vastman. I merely pointed out that as usual his post was a fabrication.'"
Prove it, find a single statement I have made about Cas that is a fabrication?
That's an actual fabrication, not a statement you choose to believe is one - you saying it's wrong doesn't make it so.
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