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| Quote ="poppys mum"Shear luck, one kick in the right place and it would have been a murder charge.
Conscious or not what right as this animal got using another human being as a punch bag.'"
Manslaughter not murder but I get your point. For it to be murder the intention to kill would have to have been there, in this case that would be hard to prove. I don't think they intended to kill him but easily could have - why the leniency I have no idea.
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| Quote ="Cecil B"Last weekend the Independent did a piece having a go at Rugby League for allowing a player (Pryce) who had just admitted an assault charge and been warned by the jduge he faced a custodial sentence to continue to play pending sentencing.
At first I thought it was another example of the national press only paying attention to rugby league when it's to stick the boot in, but on reflection I think the writer had a point. If any top footballer was in the same circumstances would there not be an outcry if he was allowed to play - I think there would!'"
For once Cecil I think your a bit off - Joey Barton has done exactly what this lad has done not once but twice and done some time but still gets one lucrative contract after another. Football is as corrupt as RL in this respect, money breeds it. You can add Lee Bowyer to that list and there have been plenty of others.
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| how can hull kr not get rid of cockayne after that !!!!!! the lad from castleford has got the sack but cockayne was by far the most violent in the attack
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| Quote ="Trouble Darn T Lane"bailey and walker got sent down for far less than what ben did in that video imo,i'll also bet that a repeat offender, that also plays in super league will also get off lightly in the not too distant future,who says that kids need role models anyway to look upto?icon_wink.gif'"
Didn't he stab someone?
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| Quote ="Gazemous"Was he found guilty?'"
I think the point in the article IIRC was that if it was football, the player would be dropped pending a court case, which I'm positive Gerrard still has.
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| Quote ="desmond decker"how can hull kr not get rid of cockayne after that !!!!!! the lad from castleford has got the sack but cockayne was by far the most violent in the attack'"
I understand the lad who has been sacked has played only one game in the reserve grade all season and he's 20 years old, evidence to suggest the kid was not gonna make the grade so they conveniently used this opportunity to sack him...
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| Quote ="Pretty Boy"am sure the judge didnt bottle it.i think the problem will be is that the judge in question probably deals with hundreds of cases identical to this every year and a precedent has probably been set that this offence warrants a years suspended sentence.its would have been up to the prosecution to convince a jury that they deserved a higher more severe sentence.'"
This aint america were the victims get there say, the judge as many of them do with pro sports players BEND the sentence . WRONG WRONg WROng WRong Wrong and WRONG .,
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| Quote ="Pretty Boy"am sure the judge didnt bottle it.i think the problem will be is that the judge in question probably deals with hundreds of cases identical to this every year and a precedent has probably been set that this offence warrants a years suspended sentence.its would have been up to the prosecution to convince a jury that they deserved a higher more severe sentence.'"
But I think this case was different from the very fact that there was cctv evidence and therefore a stronger case than presumably most other cases before the courts.
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| Quote ="General Zod."I understand the lad who has been sacked has played only one game in the reserve grade all season and he's 20 years old, evidence to suggest the kid was not gonna make the grade so they conveniently used this opportunity to sack him...'"
Whilst you just cynically used that in a pathetic attempt to hide your own clubs total lack of moral courage - that is poor.
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| Quote ="vastman"Whilst you just cynically used that in a pathetic attempt to hide your own clubs total lack of moral courage - that is poor.'"
I wouldn't have a problem if ALL convicted criminals in the professional game were dealt with but they haven't been so I don't see why my club should be singled out.
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| Quote ="General Zod."I wouldn't have a problem if ALL convicted criminals in the professional game were dealt with but they haven't been so I don't see why my club should be singled out.'"
Not the case at all - you suggested Cas wouldn't have done the same had he been a regular first teamer. How do you know this and how is that an excuse for HKR not doing something about Cockayne. A player as it happens with a long history of being trouble - always comes across as a bit of a cheeky chap who doesn't mean any harm - aren't they always the worst. Come on Zod you know better.
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| Quote ="Singe"But I think this case was different from the very fact that there was cctv evidence and therefore a stronger case than presumably most other cases before the courts.'" cant see it being honest i think big brother is watchin on most street fights like this
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| Quote ="Half Full"This aint america were the victims get there say, the judge as many of them do with pro sports players BEND the sentence . WRONG WRONg WROng WRong Wrong and WRONG .,
'" could understand your point if we were talking about a david beckham or a tiger woods but we talking about ben cockayne.
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| Just lucky they werent on a motorbike doing 120 mph or they would both have got six month sentences
Work that one out then
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| Quote ="vastman"Not the case at all - you suggested Cas wouldn't have done the same had he been a regular first teamer. How do you know this and how is that an excuse for HKR not doing something about Cockayne. A player as it happens with a long history of being trouble - always comes across as a bit of a cheeky chap who doesn't mean any harm - aren't they always the worst. Come on Zod you know better.'"
They signed Dwayne Barker who'd been down the road previously, not to mention stunts like giving a trail to the mostfamous drugs cheat in British sport (though I appreciate it's a slightly different issue).
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| Quote ="General Zod."They signed Dwayne Barker who'd been down the road previously, not to mention stunts like giving a [i[size=150trial [/size[/i[ito the most famous drugs cheat in British sport [/i(though I appreciate it's a slightly different issue).'"
Who had served his ban and was looking at other sports for a change of life direction after being dealt with severely by his sporting body......
Cas didn't take him on with hyperdermics still hanging from his arms.
You will not do anything to Cockayne that is down to you and your clubs morals not anyone elses.
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| Hull KR's statement
Following a series of discussions over the weekend and today with Ben, his agent David Howes and his legal representatives, the board of directors of Hull Kingston Rovers wish to make the following statement:-
We have carefully considered and reviewed Ben’s position as a full time professional rugby league player of this club in light of his conviction and sentence in the Leeds Crown Court last week, for an offence of assault occasioning actual bodily harm. We are aware of the detail of the offence and have seen the CCTV video footage. We have given serious consideration to terminating his contract in light of his actions, which are clear for all to see. However, we have decided against that course of action.
We are mindful of the sentencing Judge’s comments in sparing Ben’s imprisonment. He expressed the hope and expectation that Ben would learn from this experience and use it in a positive manner to effect and influence others against repeating the mistakes he has made. In view of this, we believe that dismissing Ben, although an easier option for the Club, would not offer the rehabilitative support that Ben needs at this time. He has issues to deal with which we, as a community centric club and as his employer, feel a responsibility to help him address.
We are very aware of the public reaction to this incident and its potentially very negative effect on the reputation of this Club. We do not in any way condone, justify or excuse Ben’s actions and we are therefore, in these extraordinary circumstances, publishing the sanctions we have imposed on Ben so that everyone is aware that, whilst we will look to support and help Ben return to being an important member of our community, we equally must reflect his actions with appropriate sanctions.
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1. Ben will be suspended from 1st team selection until he completes his 240 hours’ community service as ordered by the Court or until 1.6.09, whichever is the sooner.
2. Ben will not be paid during this period.
3. Ben will undergo compulsory counselling for (i) Anger Management (ii) Post Traumatic Stress Disorder with a treatment provider identified and introduced by the Club.
At this time, neither the Club nor Ben’s advisors consider it appropriate for him to make any public comment at all on this matter. He does, however, wish to repeat his expressions of genuine remorse and disappointment for those he has let down through his actions and is firmly committed to work with the club, as outlined above.
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| i support this fully.good call hull hopefully the lad learns his lesson.
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| It isnt a big enough punishment. If he is getting flashbacks to Iraq he should be banned for life as he isnt safe.
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| i can understand people thinkin punishment is enough but as id put in my previous posts prison (what most people were calling for) about rehabilitating offenders not just punishing them.the plan of action hull is taking is a good plan to try and help make this obviously troubled individual a chance to change.ill back what i said good call hull but should be last chance saloon for ben.
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| I think the not being paid/allowed to play till he does his 240 hours could have as strong an effect on him as the possible threat of jail.
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| Post Traumatic Stress Disorder with a treatment provider identified and introduced by the Club. WTF!!!! who's this for him or the poor f%cker he beat up!!
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| Quote ="vastman"Not the case at all - you suggested Cas wouldn't have done the same had he been a regular first teamer. How do you know this and how is that an excuse for HKR not doing something about Cockayne. A player as it happens with a long history of being trouble - always comes across as a bit of a cheeky chap who doesn't mean any harm - aren't they always the worst. Come on Zod you know better.'"
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Please, check your facts.
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| What is really irking me about the whole situation is that [uSOME[/u Hull KR fans are having a dig at Cas for having the audacity to sack one of our own players.
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